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Mum of-eight Marie Buchan reveals she is using food banks after benefits cuts - Birmingham Live (birminghammail.co.uk)
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Mum of-eight Marie Buchan reveals she is using food banks after benefits cuts - Birmingham Live (birminghammail.co.uk)
glasgowcyclist
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With respect, this is a topic for an entirely different thread.
mudsticks
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So your take away from that article is that you are bothered by the fact that a woman has eight children -
But the fact that she has received abuse regarding that leaves you unbothered.??
Marie told Birmingham Live: "Some of the abuse I receive is just vile. They call me a parasite, a s*** and they 'hope I die soon'. Others say I'm a 'scrounger' and I've had threats of men coming to get me and 'teach me a lesson'.
Anyway its a topic for another thread - but yes you've illustrated - once again - quite well - where you sympathies lie
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Never said any of that was their own fault, paying people smugglers to get you into a country that puts your life at risk is.
As people love saying so often on here the rest of Europe take far more in than we do so why not just stop in one of those countries instead of that 'final push' .
I've heard all the stories of English speaking and family members etc so don't bore me with that one, if they take the risk then they HAVE bought it on themselves.
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icowden
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So which is better Shep, staying where your life and family are definitely at risk, or going to where your life and that of your family *might* be at risk? I think I know which one I would go for.
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So your take away from that article is that you are bothered by the fact that a woman has eight children -
But the fact that she has received abuse regarding that leaves you unbothered.??
Marie told Birmingham Live: "Some of the abuse I receive is just vile. They call me a parasite, a s*** and they 'hope I die soon'. Others say I'm a 'scrounger' and I've had threats of men coming to get me and 'teach me a lesson'.
Anyway its a topic for another thread - but yes you've illustrated - once again - quite well - where you sympathies lie
I'll repeat, stop in a country that doesn't require a perilous Sea crossing!
mudsticks
Squire
so you don't think we should take in any refugees ?
Whats your justification for that.?
If there were safe routes to come here here, or no compelling reasons then there wouldn't be people attempting unsafe crossings .
Just because you're 'bored' with the reasons why people may choose to seek asylum here, doesn't make them any less valid.
It seems as if you very quickly get 'bored' with anything that in any way might alter your tabloid view of the world.
icowden
Squire
Interesting. My initial reaction is what a shoddy piece of journalism. Her two oldest children are 18 and 20, so she hasn't had child benefit for them for 2 and 4 years respectively. So why the newspaper article? Why not ask *why* she has ended up with 8 children and how the system has let her down? Why not ask why she feels that she is struggling given that her two oldest children are no longer dependent on her and can earn their own living or go to further education?
glasgowcyclist
Über Member
I always thought you were a supporter of due process given your working environment so where did that principle go now that we're talking about people seeking asylum? There is a process to be gone through where each asylum application is closely scrutinised by the Home Office and accepted or rejected and, currently, most applications are granted.
If there was any truth in your blanket and deliberate mis-categorisation of these people as all being economic migrants then the evidence doesn't support it.
Unless, of course, you're able to do what Patel can't and prove it.
Quite.
Bromptonaut
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Quite happy to take it elsewhere, just needed the link.
newfhouse
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Some people have a gift with words.I reckon Fozy had it right in this one that I saved for posterity.
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glasgowcyclist
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These are valid reasons, too bad if you find them boring or inconvenient to your position.
People seeking to cross from France report that they are badly treated by the police there so why would they feel it safe to remain? French police break up their camps, taking away their sleeping bags and equipment, leaving them and their children crying in the rain by the roadside.
Having got that far and with the UK practically in sight, why would they stay where they are still abused?
The fact remains that they are entitled to seek asylum here regardless of how they arrive or which countries they traversed to get here. Both international and UK law supports that.
Salty seadog
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Salty seadog
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That I believe is St Margaret's Bay. That's a bloody steep hill to cycle up back out of there.
Pale Rider
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I do support due process, but I also support an appropriate due process.
Like many court battles, asylum seeking has now been reduced to tactics, how to win.
The rightness and wrongness of it are irrelevant.
Thus if someone is granted asylum, it merely tells us they won the tactical battle, it does not tell us they are a genuine asylum seeker although they could be.
Equally, if someone is refused asylum, it merely tells us they lost the tactical battle, it does not tell us they are not entitled to asylum, although it's likely they are not.
Several posters point to the high number of approvals, which tells us our system is not as hostile as some on here would have us believe.
If we were that nasty, there would be no approvals.
It also chimes in with the remarks of French minister about the UK being too welcoming.
Thus some economic migrants think: "Get yourself across the channel, because even if you don't qualify for asylum, there's a fighting chance you will get it anyway."
