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icowden

Squire
Moral of the story is don't believe all the garbage you read on here.
Of course the UK is economically attractive, that's why the economic migrants cross several borders and risk their lives crossing the channel to get here.
Asylum seeking has got bugger all to do with it.

Are you sure you are a lawyer Paley? You do realise that an opinion from one person is hardly substantive corroborating evidence?
We are going to need some expert opinions backed up by substantive scientific research, not just the opinion of a minister.

Would you take Dominic Raab's opinion at face value? How about Priti Patel? Boris Johnson? Nadine Dorries? Matt Hancock?

The defence rests.
 
Moral of the story is don't believe all the garbage you read on here.

Of course the UK is economically attractive, that's why the economic migrants cross several borders and risk their lives crossing the channel to get here.

Asylum seeking has got bugger all to do with it.

Would you be able to evidence the bit I've bolded?

If it Helps there are some numbers here:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/27/asylum-in-the-uk-the-key-numbers
 
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mudsticks

Squire
Moral of the story is don't believe all the garbage you read on here.

Of course the UK is economically attractive, that's why the economic migrants cross several borders and risk their lives crossing the channel to get here.

Asylum seeking has got bugger all to do with it.

If asylum seeking has 'bugger all' to do with it , how come people apply for asylum when they get here, instead of just disappearing off to make all this lovely money that's available to them.?

The majority of asylum claims are accepted eventually, but it's a long and tortuous process, asylum seekers don't have a lovely time at our expense.

They've experienced some awful things already, you'd think some compassion might be in order.

Most would probably prefer to work to support themselves, but that's not allowed..

Not that economic migration, is a bad thing in and of itself.
People working in and contributing to our society, in all the ways they do, is a good thing.

The French Gov are trying to blame shift, just as our Gov does.

Meanwhile our fellow humans suffer, when we could be helping.

Safe routes for asylum seekers could be created, so people don't have to risk their lives in small boats.

We don't take anything like our fair share of displaced people.
Despite having contributed to, and profited from the reasons for that displacement.

But yeah of course, some unpleasant people, despite having had the random luck to have been born in what is still one of the richest countries in the world - made rich from the plundering of other countries - will still not want to see anyone else, who has not been so 'lucky' being treated with humanity, and understanding.

Meanwhile here are some further ways of gaining greater understanding, and helping too.

https://www.unhcr.org/figures-at-a-glance.html

https://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/the-truth-about-asylum/
 

Pale Rider

Veteran
You do realise that an opinion from one person is hardly substantive corroborating evidence?

We have a few people on a cycling forum asserting economic migrants are treated dreadfully on arrival in the UK, and we have the French Minister of the Interior (who might know) saying the UK is too economically attractive.

If the cycling forum members are correct, all the other countries in Europe must be treating economic migrants in a truly appalling fashion..

Of course, those on here who assert migrants are locked up, fed on gruel, and forced to live on 45p a week are wrong.

The proof of this particular pudding is in the eating - the number of migrants who reject lots of European countries to come to the UK.
 

mudsticks

Squire
Are you sure you are a lawyer Paley? You do realise that an opinion from one person is hardly substantive corroborating evidence?
We are going to need some expert opinions backed up by substantive scientific research, not just the opinion of a minister.

Would you take Dominic Raab's opinion at face value? How about Priti Patel? Boris Johnson? Nadine Dorries? Matt Hancock?

The defence rests.

To be fair, i don't think he's ever claimed to be a lawyer.

Just likes to report on law related themes :okay:
 

mudsticks

Squire
We have a few people on a cycling forum asserting economic migrants are treated dreadfully on arrival in the UK, and we have the French Minister of the Interior (who might know) saying the UK is too economically attractive.

If the cycling forum members are correct, all the other countries in Europe must be treating economic migrants in a truly appalling fashion..

Of course, those on here who assert migrants are locked up, fed on gruel, and forced to live on 45p a week are wrong.

The proof of this particular pudding is in the eating - the number of migrants who reject lots of European countries to come to the UK.

In the absence of any better ideas.

Why not make shoot up that no one here ever said .

There are many reasons why the relatively few by number, might think it best to claim.asylum here.

But of course to discover those reasons you would have to speak to them, or at least read their testimony.

If their claims to asylum didn't stand up to scrutiny then they wouldn't be granted refugee status, would they.?

I was moderated in the other place for speculating that he may be a part time court usher. Am I right in thinking you’re a scribbler @Pale Rider ?

Oh don't you'll get accused of being 'abusive' next.
 

Pale Rider

Veteran
If asylum seeking has 'bugger all' to do with it , how come people apply for asylum when they get here, instead of just disappearing off to make all this lovely money that's available to them.?

Having arrived deliberately stateless, achieving asylum seeker status is the best way of regularising that position and obtaining official leave to remain.

Which has bugger all to do with being persecuted anywhere, it's just a legal game, funded at public expense.
 

mudsticks

Squire
Having arrived deliberately stateless, achieving asylum seeker status is the best way of regularising that position and obtaining official leave to remain.

Which has bugger all to do with being persecuted anywhere, it's just a legal game, funded at public expense.

You really don't have a shred of understanding or empathy for anyone else's predicament do you.??

I'm so very glad I'm not like you.

Still, being so very cynical, and inhumane must be its own sort of cross to bear, so unlucky for you I guess.
 

Pale Rider

Veteran
You really don't have a shred of understanding or empathy for anyone else's predicament do you.??

I'm so very glad I'm not like you.

Still, being so very cynical, and inhumane must be its own sort of cross to bear, so unlucky for you I guess.

No answer, so you resort to an attempted character assassination.

What a waste of space.
 

mudsticks

Squire
No answer, so you resort to an attempted character assassination.

What a waste of space.

No answer to unsubstantiated statements such as

'arriving 'deliberately stateless'

Or 'bugger all to do with being persecuted'

No , those things really aren't worth responding to.

As for 'character assasination'

I really don't think you need my help with that...

If anything I was extending sympathies , it can't be very nice having so little ability to empathise.
 
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