Starmer's vision quest

[Psamathe]

I think anyone voting in local council elections based on national issues is doing a stupid action.

Yet the campaign leaflets I got through for these elections were mostly based on National politics.

Reform leaflet from Farage, didn't even mention local candidate, no mention of any local issues.
Green: 1 flyer from local council candidate but 2 relating entirely national politics.
Conservative: 2 entirely local from local candidate
Lib Dems: No leaflets, no campaigning seen

Whilst I appreciate there were devolved government elections in Wales & Scotland, the party election broadcasts I happened to catch on TV were all about national policies and national politics.

Maybe electorate were just listening to the politicians regarding local vs national issues?

 

[bobzmyunkle]

I’d like to see a return of a centre right Tory party and for the Lib Dem’s to somehow get heard above the noise of Reform and the Greens.

 

[Pross]

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Best government of the last 20 years (in challenging circumstances). It was looking quite promising in 2015 before Cameron allowed Fartrage to dictate the direction of UK politics and things started falling apart.

 

[Psamathe]

Now Starmer has sunk so low, after throwing so many others under the bus, anything he does now will be widely seen as him trying to defend his staying in post rather than for the best interests of the country.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Best government of the last 20 years (in challenging circumstances). It was looking quite promising in 2015 before Cameron allowed Fartrage to dictate the direction of UK politics and things started falling apart.

Best govt in the last 20 years or another step in the road to Farage as PM?
Reform voters might be thick if they think there's anything in a Farage govt for them, but they aren't so thick that they don't know they're being shat on.

 

[TailWindHome]

If we are talking local council elections, to me, voting based on Foreign Policy seems a bit pointless.

Yet the vast majority of those elected stand for national parties

 

[TailWindHome]

There's a lot of the usual stuff on here at the moment blaming the voters for the state of the country coupled with an unhealthy amount of sneering at the "racist thickos" who voted Reform. PBlakeney was critical of people who he thought were using the local elections as a protest about immigration and the point of my post was to suggest that it isn't just the people who he obviously disapproves of that use local elections to protest about national issues. But you knew that.

I think that's a yes?

 

[Shortfall]

I think that's a yes?

You think wrongly but then again you're not really wanting an honest conversation are you?

 

[Psamathe]

If we are talking local council elections, to me, voting based on Foreign Policy seems a bit pointless.

Yet the vast majority of those elected stand for national parties

Bit like the daftness of Police & Crime Commissioners who all seem to be Party based candidates.

Supposedly to be scrapped by 2028 on the grounds on low public awareness and limited effectiveness.

 

[TailWindHome]

You think wrongly but then again you're not really wanting an honest conversation are you?

So, it's a no?

 

[Pblakeney]

Yet the campaign leaflets I got through for these elections were mostly based on National politics.

Reform leaflet from Farage, didn't even mention local candidate, no mention of any local issues.
Green: 1 flyer from local council candidate but 2 relating entirely national politics.
Conservative: 2 entirely local from local candidate
Lib Dems: No leaflets, no campaigning seen

Whilst I appreciate there were devolved government elections in Wales & Scotland, the party election broadcasts I happened to catch on TV were all about national policies and national politics.

Maybe electorate were just listening to the politicians regarding local vs national issues?

My distain is not limited to the electorate. In fact the parties and the media are even more culpable as they are driving the debate.
People are voting for national issues to be changed that cannot be changed at a local level. Stupid.

 

[secretsqirrel]

My distain is not limited to the electorate. In fact the parties and the media are even more culpable as they are driving the debate.
People are voting for national issues to be changed that cannot be changed at a local level. Stupid.

It doesn’t help when Farage refers to this vote as ‘a referendum on the Labour government’.
Which it clearly isn’t.

 

[TailWindHome]

Not sure where this daft idea has come from that voters shouldn't be blamed for their choices.

 

[Psamathe]

Not sure where this daft idea has come from that voters shouldn't be blamed for their choices.

Do you blame them for their choices of blame them for believing the lies politicians feed us?

 

[BoldonLad]

Yet the vast majority of those elected stand for national parties

Well, that may have something to do with the vast majority of those standing for election were from National parties.

In my local council area, until this election, Labour dominance was being challenged by "Independants", but, this election has not only wiped our all but 1 labour councillor, it has also drastically reduced the "independent" contingent. Reform are totally dominant. To me, total domination is not a "good thing" regardless of which party/group is dominant.