Starmer's vision quest

[midlandsgrimpeur]

No surprises then: he's going. I think the thing that ultimately did for him was thinking he could get McSweeney back into his inner circle after his "We have to learn lessons" resignation after Gorton and Denton. I suspect Labour Ministers and MPs didn't take kindly to being treated like fools. It betrayed his lack of political nous, and his inability to change as circumstances changed.

I don't recall a PM being so spectacularly undone by his 'advisors'. Ultimately it is his responsibility as he chose to listen and take their advice, but he really has had so many clear opportunities over the last 18 months to change his fortunes and has just watched as everyone of them passed him by. He has essentially just allowed others to bring about his own downfall and watched happily as it happened. It's odd as he seemed pretty instrumental and quite ruthless in bringing down Momentum and Corbyn, yet has seemed so passive when in charge himself.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Farage has called for an immediate GE.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Genuinely don't think Miliband would want to be PM. Plus I don't think he has the ease of communication of Burnham. I don't think Burnham is any kind of political genius or has magic bullets, but he has got the chance to break away from Starmer's political missteps and miscalculations, and won't sound like a Dalek.

No, I don't think so either. I meant more that he seems to have done a really solid job as Energy Secretary. If I was Burnham I would want to keep him there to see it through, but the word seems to be that Miliband wants to be Chancellor.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Farage has called for an immediate GE.

I expect Chris Mason to lead the 10pm news with a 15 minute piece on Farage's credentials as future PM, whilst not once mentioning Kier Starmer or Andy Burnham (only half joking)!

 

[PurplePenguin]

Genuinely don't think Miliband would want to be PM. Plus I don't think he has the ease of communication of Burnham. I don't think Burnham is any kind of political genius or has magic bullets, but he has got the chance to break away from Starmer's political missteps and miscalculations, and won't sound like a Dalek.

If he strays too far from Labour's manifesto, there will be a lot of calls for a general election.

 

[C R]

I feel genuinely sad for him.
He’s been a victim of circumstance and lack of political experience. I’m sure his intentions were good. He never struck me as being in it for himself.
Rather than the self inflicted downfall of Johnson and Truss.

He can go away for a long holiday and hopefully realise he’s better off out of that thankless task.

He was a tool of blue labour to prevent labour from acting on the left wing and pro Palestine impulses of the party membership. If he couldn't see that he was an idiot, if he was happy with it he deserves what he got.

Either way, good riddance.

 

[Shortfall]

Happening now...

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[midlandsgrimpeur]

Out by mid July apparently if Burnham is unopposed. I thought it would be a slow staged handover in the autumn, probably best to just go if you are going I guess.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

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Did you keep this handy after every Tory PM had to resign over the last 5 years? 😉

 

[Psamathe]

... suggests he is fundamentally a decent bloke.

(Partial quote)
A decent bloke who couldn't see that taking freebies from vested interests when PM was wrong, who made massive cuts to UK's overseas aid budget, who set Mahmood to be so cruel to those in desperate need, etc.

 

[Shortfall]

Did you keep this handy after every Tory PM had to resign over the last 5 years? 😉

You do realise I'm not a Tory right? Oh you didn't. Anyhoo, I'll be sure to wheel it out when Burnham resigns/is ousted/is forced to go to the country when he inevitably makes things worse than they already are.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

You do realise I'm not a Tory right? Oh you didn't. Anyhoo, I'll be sure to wheel it out when Burnham resigns/is ousted/is forced to go to the country when he inevitably makes things worse than they already are.

I didn't say you were, but as you suggest that all politicians are useless, then surely you should post similar each time one resigns, regardless of their political persuasion?

 

[First Aspect]

Farage has called for an immediate GE.

It isn't out of the question. Arguably any politician become less popular with time.

 

[Shortfall]

I didn't say you were, but as you suggest that all politicians are useless, then surely you should post similar each time one resigns, regardless of their political persuasion?

I'll bear it in mind 😘

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I'll bear it in mind 😘

Excellent, when Farage gets his comeuppance I shall be looking out for it 😍