Starmer's vision quest

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BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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Another new labour white elephant to play to the rabid right wing press instead of actually addressing the issues.

It's not even a "new proposal".

The previous government was chipping away at benefits, or whatever you want to call it since they took power.

It always happens, because as @C R says, it's an easy target.

Exactly, successive Governments Conservative, Labour and Coalition, have introduced similar "initiatives", over the years. The earliest which springs to mind is the so called Youth Opportunities Scheme (YOPS), 1978, under Sunny Jim. I believe YOPS is a brand of Yoghurt now :laugh:
 

winjim

Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Will there be howls of outrage over this I wonder? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp35r0v7q95o

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We do have quite a lot of what they call NEETS, not in education, employment, or training. The apprenticeship idea is great but from what I have heard varies greatly in quality. You need to offer kids something worthwhile for minimum wage, otherwise they might as well work for minimum wage in easier, more fun jobs.
 

Psamathe

Regular
Watching TV News and Ms Reeves assuring the CBI she wont be back for more money from them again, So if instead she comes back next year and takes from individuals instead, public will have less money to spend on business products and services ... so hitting businesses again just indirectly next time but outcome the same. If business actually think about what Chancellor actually said the future still looks discouraging for investment.

Ian
 
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Fab Foodie

Legendary Member
Watching TV News and Ms Reeves assuring the CBI she wont be back for more money from them again, So if instead she comes back next year and takes from individuals instead, public will have less money to spend on business products and services ... so hitting businesses again just indirectly next time but outcome the same. If business actually think about what Chancellor actually said the future still looks discouraging for investment.

Ian

It depends who they come back to take from.
Unfortunately in bottling-it before the election on commiting to not raising anyform of income tax or VAT, nor reversing the desperate Tory vote-buying cut to NI, they've backed themselves into a bloody stupid corner. They could have increased the higher rates of personal taxation, introduced an even higher band (s) even up to a millionaire tax.
They could have introduced higher VAT rates above certain monetary thresholds.
They can close the loopholes and legal tax-avoidance vehicles that only the wealthy can afford.
They could make sure that.the likes of Amazon pay their fair share into the treasury.
They could make an additional tax on online-only vendors that needs to be ploughed back into brick and mortar high streets.
There's a lot tgat cam be done to make the wealthiest contribute a little more.

If the recent election across the pond teaches us is that we need fewer billionaires and millionaires in the world.
If Covid taught us anything it's that the world needs fewer luxury yacht builders and merchant bankers and more nurses, teachers, bus drivers and bin-men.....

Wealth needs radical redistribution. That's what a Labour government should be enabling.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
Wealth needs radical redistribution. That's what a Labour government should be enabling.

Thanks for playing, It's what the last government should have been enabling if they wanted to stay in power by doing their jobs.

Sorry Foodie, I was just watching House, and now I'm sounding like him. I'll be better in the morning.
 

C R

Über Member
It depends who they come back to take from.
Unfortunately in bottling-it before the election on commiting to not raising anyform of income tax or VAT, nor reversing the desperate Tory vote-buying cut to NI, they've backed themselves into a bloody stupid corner. They could have increased the higher rates of personal taxation, introduced an even higher band (s) even up to a millionaire tax.
They could have introduced higher VAT rates above certain monetary thresholds.
They can close the loopholes and legal tax-avoidance vehicles that only the wealthy can afford.
They could make sure that.the likes of Amazon pay their fair share into the treasury.
They could make an additional tax on online-only vendors that needs to be ploughed back into brick and mortar high streets.
There's a lot tgat cam be done to make the wealthiest contribute a little more.

If the recent election across the pond teaches us is that we need fewer billionaires and millionaires in the world.
If Covid taught us anything it's that the world needs fewer luxury yacht builders and merchant bankers and more nurses, teachers, bus drivers and bin-men.....

Wealth needs radical redistribution. That's what a Labour government should be enabling.

What are you, some kind of socialist? This thing of caring for your fellow humans is so twentieth century.
 

Fab Foodie

Legendary Member
Thanks for playing, It's what the last government should have been enabling if they wanted to stay in power by doing their jobs.

Sorry Foodie, I was just watching House, and now I'm sounding like him. I'll be better in the morning.

It's OK, am in Ireland knocking back the Guinness!
I'll be worse in the morning....

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Rusty Nails

Country Member
Starmer certainly has more questions to answer over his judgement as a result of Louise Haigh's resignation. He says it was necessary due to further information but won't say what that new information was. Haigh aiui said that she told him about her conviction when he appointed her to the shadow cabinet.
It's lucky it has been overshadowed by the assisted dying bill.
 

Psamathe

Regular
He says it was necessary due to further information but won't say what that new information was.
From the Ministerial Code
Openness: Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for doing so.
Is Starmer being properly open about this? If not he's also in breach of the Ministerial Code.

Ian
 

Psamathe

Regular
That dominos meme but it's a young woman getting mugged and the downfall of Western civilisation.
Not about her getting mugged. About her pleading guilty to fraud.

But for me the issue is the PM refusing to answer questions he has no reason not to answer. He is probably just avoiding being embarrassed but we deserve leadership that can be honest and open and not just when it's convenient for them.

Ian
 
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