Starmer's vision quest

[briantrumpet]

I have long held the opinion that the "left" have wanted this for so long due to the fact that younger people are ideologically more left leaning and therefore more likely to vote for left leaning parties (see Indyref). I see a lot of stuff at the moment that suggests this may be changing and, like you, fear this may backfire

Not least as Starmer is making so many Reformy noises, he's going to lose most of the student vote that Labour once might have relied on.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I have long held the opinion that the "left" have wanted this for so long due to the fact that younger people are ideologically more left leaning and therefore more likely to vote for left leaning parties (see Indyref). I see a lot of stuff at the moment that suggests this may be changing and, like you, fear this may backfire

Agree.

The Ooooooooooh Jeremy Corbyn party animals of Glastonbury are now so last decade.

What do we have now to woo the kids? The Tate Party?

 

[Psamathe]

Re: Starmer Throws More MPs Out Of Labour Party
Unable to pursuade MPs to abandon their Labour principles Starmer resorts to throwing people out who won't blindly do what he tells them to do.

Maybe Starmer needs to learn that MPs are elected to represent their consituents not just do what they're told by somebody most of the country didn't vote for (or even get the chance to vote for).

Blair managed to survive without ever withdrawing the whip yet Starmer seems to prefer discarding non-compliant lobby-fodder.

Says a lot about Starmer and his (lack of) capability. Labour are certainly now off my list of being considered for any "X" in subsequent elections.

Ian

 

[Pross]

I have long held the opinion that the "left" have wanted this for so long due to the fact that younger people are ideologically more left leaning and therefore more likely to vote for left leaning parties (see Indyref). I see a lot of stuff at the moment that suggests this may be changing and, like you, fear this may backfire

I suspect that is traditionally due to them most likely being anti-establishment which tended to mean left-wing Labour. These days that will translate to the snakeoil sales people who are trying to pass themselves off as being non-establishment like Reform or to independence parties in Scotland or Wales

 

[Pross]

Agree.

The Ooooooooooh Jeremy Corbyn party animals of Glastonbury are now so last decade.

What do we have now to woo the kids? The Tate Party?

The images of Corbyn surrounded by teenage 'minders' were always a bit disturbing I felt and definitely creepy.

 

[secretsqirrel]

The images of Corbyn surrounded by teenage 'minders' were always a bit disturbing I felt and definitely creepy.

teenagers go to Glastonbury

 

[secretsqirrel]

Re: Starmer Throws More MPs Out Of Labour Party
Unable to pursuade MPs to abandon their Labour principles Starmer resorts to throwing people out who won't blindly do what he tells them to do.

Maybe Starmer needs to learn that MPs are elected to represent their consituents not just do what they're told by somebody most of the country didn't vote for (or even get the chance to vote for).

Blair managed to survive without ever withdrawing the whip yet Starmer seems to prefer discarding non-compliant lobby-fodder.

Says a lot about Starmer and his (lack of) capability. Labour are certainly now off my list of being considered for any "X" in subsequent elections.

Ian

This is the problem with the Westminster process.
As summed up by Andy Burnham


View: https://youtube.com/shorts/xwefmd_3Ux8?si=tFLEvGLUzJIDsVyG

 

[icowden]

Says a lot about Starmer and his (lack of) capability. Labour are certainly now off my list of being considered for any "X" in subsequent elections.

It's utterly bizarre. "Abandon long standing labour principles or you are out!". You can be more centrist without abandoning Labour core principles.

 

[C R]

It's utterly bizarre. "Abandon long standing labour principles or you are out!". You can be more centrist without abandoning Labour core principles.

It would be improvement if Starmer moved to the centre.

 

[Pross]

teenagers go to Glastonbury

I was thinking more about on his election campaign. It was cringeworthy and disturbing rolled into one.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Agree.

The Ooooooooooh Jeremy Corbyn party animals of Glastonbury are now so last decade.

Perhaps not?

Reassuring to see FrogFaceFascist languishing at -6.

 

[C R]

Perhaps not?

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Reassuring to see FrogFaceFascist languishing at -6.

Anecdotal, I know, but what I hear from my 14, 16 and 18 year olds doesn't quite match those numbers.

 

[Stevo 666]

It's utterly bizarre. "Abandon long standing labour principles or you are out!". You can be more centrist without abandoning Labour core principles.

It was observed some time ago that Starmer was trying to be both centrist and left wing, which could explain to some extent the mess he finds himself in.


View: https://youtu.be/VRVeR0rGPQI?si=nUxa-vZfKDDHG6Bb

 

[icowden]

It was observed some time ago that Starmer was trying to be both centrist and left wing, which could explain to some extent the mess he finds himself in.

It's quite the achievement to fail at both simultaneously.

 

[Stevo 666]

It's quite the achievement to fail at both simultaneously.

Yep. And it seems that by screwing up he has has left the door open for the Sultana-Corbyn party - as yet un-named, but someone had suggested that the 'Fruit and Nut' party might be quite fitting 🙂