Starmer's vision quest

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Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed
Doesn't it all depend on if Jeremy can achieve media coverage out of all proportion to his actual importance (in short, displace Nigel in that role).

He'll get plenty of coverage but it won't be the relentless, unchallenged platforming & a season ticket for QT that Nigel The Millionaire Fascist gets.

You don't have to have a particularly long memory to be able to guess exactly how he'll be represented...

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Pross

Active Member
That is indeed my point.

I can't see what's going to be Starmer's Falklands yet though. But then no-one really foresaw the Falklands in 1980 as deciding the election.

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Psamathe

Über Member
It is but also people can be resistant to changing their minds. Decide now to switch to eg Reform and they don't like to rethink "I made a bad choice" so can overlook failing in their new choice and be swept along is every bit of good news.

That doesn't quite work otherwise all those who voted for Starmer would be unlikely to switch. They may well vote for change and be very, very disappointed though. Reform will never be the answer. That doesn't mean they won't win, Trump did.
To clarify, if people never changed then they'd register their vote at age 18 and that's it. For some it's a slow process and increasing disappointment can get to "I've had enough of <x> as <y> seems better". Switching back can then take a lot more than some wild idea in a manifesto in a few weeks campaigning before voting.

Increasing frustration with Starmer/Authoritarian Party will slowly drive people to change and the return process is hard and takes a lot more than a single improvement/commitment.

But people vary. Personally, when Starmer became leader I was defending him on online forums as having good potential. Now I can't see him doing anything to convince me he's even preferable to Johnson (and Johnson was a disaster).

Ian
 
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Pblakeney

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To clarify, if people never changed then they'd register their vote at age 18 and that's it. For some it's a slow process and increasing disappointment can get to "I've had enough of <x> as <y> seems better". Switching back can then take a lot more than some wild idea in a manifesto in a few weeks campaigning before voting.

Increasing frustration with Starmer/Authoritarian Party will slowly drive people to change and the return process is hard and takes a lot more than a single improvement/commitment.

But people vary. Personally, when Starmer became leader I was defending him on online forums as having good potential. Now I can't see him doing anything to convince me he's even preferable to Johnson (and Johnson was a disaster).

Ian

In summary, some people can be resistant to changing their minds while others have the capacity for change.
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth


That's some epic straw clutching.

I'd be proud to be English if I'd just achieved what she had too.

There's nothing wrong with celebrating who you are or where you're from.
 

Xipe Totec

Something nasty in the woodshed

View: https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1949582323948929395?t=8yrfcRvxcm11m90w9WQo1A&s=19


Now there's talk they want to ban VPNs.

Yeah like that is going to work. Jist about every mobile device has VPN app or inbuilt VPN


It was always only a matter of time before tech-ignorant politicians found out what VPNs were & wanted them banned. Surprised it didn't happen under the last shower & even less so now, given Starmer's wholehearted embrace of authoritarianism.
 
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