Starmer's vision quest

[CXRAndy]

Something like 97% of wildflower meadows have disappeared in 50yrs

We have turned all our farm over to wildflower meadows.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

In 14 months in power - its never been a dull moment
Rachael Maskell, Neil Duncan-Jordan, Brian Leishman and Chris Hinchliff have had the party whip removed

Rosena Allin-Khan, Bell Ribeiro-Addy and Mohammad Yasin – had their trade envoy roles removed.

Angela Rayner - resigned for breaching the ministerial code

Rushnara Ali -The homelessness minister resigned after it emerged tenants of a property she owns who had not had their lease renewed because she planned to sell the property had seen the same property back up for let with a substantial rent increase shortly afterwards.
Andrew Gwynne -Sacked as a health minister and suspended from the party after it emerged he had sent messages in which he said he hoped a pensioner who did not support him would die before the next set of elections, and made racist and sexist comments – including some about Angela Rayner and Diane Abbott.

Tulip Siddiq -The anti-corruption minister resigned over claims that her family ties to her aunt Sheikh Hasina – the ousted prime minister of Bangladesh accused of corruption – were harming the government.

Louise Haigh - Haigh resigned after it emerged she had pleaded guilty to a fraud offence after wrongly reporting a mobile phone stolen to the police. Haigh was told to resign by No 10 for a possible breach of the ministerial code.


The following resigned because they disagreed with Government policy/ decisions

Vicky Foxcroft -The Labour whip, responsible for ensuring discipline among the party’s MPs, herself resigned because she could not support the government’s welfare plans. Foxcroft, a shadow disability minister before the general election, said she would not be able to vote for cuts to disability payments.

Anneliese Dodds -The international development minister quit over Starmer’s decision to almost halve the international aid budget to pay for an increase in defence spending. Dodds had worked closely with the former shadow chancellor John McDonnell in the past and her presence by Starmer’s side had been seen by some as an indication he would not turn his back entirely on the left of the party.

i make that at least 14 Labour MPs who have either had issues with Government policy or been dealt with for behaviour. Pretty impressive in 14 months.

Sunak under the last govt suspended a similar number of Tory MP's, a number of them for serious sexual assault. Boris Johnson suspended over 30, many of whom defied him over Brexit after he prorogued Parliament and lied to the Queen.

Probably best not to point out impropriety on the one side when the others have a history of being just as guilty (and omitting to mention this).

 

[Pross]

Like environmental protections. The UK is one of the most nature-depleted countries in the world. 41% of our plant and animal species have declined in abundance since 1970, and this decline is accelerating. 1 in 4 of British mammals are now threatened with extinction in the UK. 31% of Great Britain’s amphibian and reptile species are threatened with risk of extinction.

The list of our environmental protection failures is extensive yet the planning proposals are making things a lot worse - hence their being opposed by most of the wildlife organisations.

It is possible to protect our environment and build houses/developments but it needs to be properly thought through not bulldozed by people without a care for the damage they are doing (probably not deliberately, just they haven't the experience nor concern over detail to think things through properly).

I wasn't saying the legislation Rayner was creating was all wrong, just that it needed more consideration to adjust the more damaging/unintended consequences she hadn't bothered considering.

It's not just that causing delays though. I work on the civil engineering side of development and it regularly takes 12 months or more to get approval from Councils to the design of access roads / off-site improvements. It's sometimes lack of resources meaning they take months to reply and sometimes, in particular if they've objected to the application and been over-ruled, it can me sheer awkwardness. This is just for relatively small sites, generally that have previously been accepted into the development plan. Roll that out across all the other disciplines and you've got massive delays. Not every delay in the system relates to environmental protection, most sites are delivering BNG improvements but there are still plenty of other obstacles and in my experience even the ecologists / tree consultants employed by the developer are passionate about protecting the environment.

 

[CXRAndy]

Lucy Powell sacked

Probably for dog whistle comments

This day is getting better and better

 

[CXRAndy]

Lammy trending no1 currently

He's being prepared for greatness

 

[spen666]

Sunak under the last govt suspended a similar number of Tory MP's, a number of them for serious sexual assault. Boris Johnson suspended over 30, many of whom defied him over Brexit after he prorogued Parliament and lied to the Queen.

Probably best not to point out impropriety on the one side when the others have a history of being just as guilty (and omitting to mention this).

Not omitting to mention anything
This is a thread about the current labour leader and his "vision Quest". So strangely enough, and I know its to hard for you to understand the concept, but I was commenting on the current labour leader and his "vision quest"

I was not comparing it to any other period, just commenting on how its been an active time
Not everything has to be points scoring or trying to make out one party is better or worse than another

 

[CXRAndy]

No way, I was joking

 

[Stevo 666]

Read the press. It’s covered extensively.

I know it is. Maybe you can explain how his situation is the same as Rayners viz a viz underpayment of tax - in a reasonable amount of detail.

 

[CXRAndy]

Wes Street said this today

Angela Rayner has achieved more in the last year than most politicians achieve in a lifetime

Yes she has, acquired 3 properties on a backbenchers salary.

What are the odds Rayners new Hove flat goes back on the market soon. I can say it's has very recently been painted outside front and sides.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Not omitting to mention anything
This is a thread about the current labour leader and his "vision Quest". So strangely enough, and I know its to hard for you to understand the concept, but I was commenting on the current labour leader and his "vision quest"

I was not comparing it to any other period, just commenting on how its been an active time
Not everything has to be points scoring or trying to make out one party is better or worse than another

If it is not about making out one party is worse than another, why only present Labour suspensions/resignations? That seems like the very essence of presenting a certain picture, regardless of whether or not this is a thread about Keir Starmer's vision. Following on, if this thread is solely about Keir Starmer's vision, what relevance does pointing out sacked Labour MP's have to do with this? Was his vision to sack a bunch of MP's, can't recall that in the Labour manifesto.

 

[CXRAndy]

Some potentially very dangerous appointments in this shuffle.

 

[spen666]

If it is not about making out one party is worse than another, why only present Labour suspensions/resignations?

As I explained, obviously not in simple enough language for you. This is a thread about Starmer's Vision Quest.

You know, that chap who is currently leading the Labour Party. Therefore the post I make is about his time as leader. I never mentioned any other party as I was not making a comparison.

I didn't post about the results of last night's football, or the last Cricket Test Match either - you know why? Yes, that's right its not a thread about the Tories, or Football or Cricket

Clearly, you have a problem in understanding that explanation.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

As I explained, obviously not in simple enough language for you. This is a thread about Starmer's Vision Quest.

You know, that chap who is currently leading the Labour Party. Therefore the post I make is about his time as leader. I never mentioned any other party as I was not making a comparison.

I didn't post about the results of last night's football, or the last Cricket Test Match either - you know why? Yes, that's right its not a thread about the Tories, or Football or Cricket

Clearly, you have a problem in understanding that explanation.

The thread is about Starmer's vision as you keep pointing out the indiscretions of his MP's have nothing whatsoever to do with his 'vision'.

Reverting to cheap insults and trying to suggest other forum members are stupid is a bit silly to be honest. Let's keep it civil and not act like plonkers.

 

[briantrumpet]

Worth reading the whole of Magnus's letter, if you've not already done so.

 

[CXRAndy]

Ignorance is no defence