Starmer's vision quest

[AuroraSaab]

From the stats I can find transfers out of the UK to other EU countries under the Dublin agreement have never been higher than 400 individuals in a year.

 

[Pblakeney]

From the stats I can find transfers out of the UK to other EU countries under the Dublin agreement have never been higher than 400 individuals in a year.

And who is to blame for that?

 

[CXRAndy]

And who is to blame for that?

Our government for not cutting ties like the echr. Its been used endlessly to thwart deportation.

Pathetic excuses not to deport criminals.

 

[CXRAndy]

Correct- Starmer does not represent the British people. He is an illegitimate politician.

Better to speak to someone who clearly understands and represents the British public


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[AuroraSaab]

And who is to blame for that?

The main stats available from the UK are those for when we were still in the EU, as obviously the Dublin agreement went when we left. They show it wasn't making much impact on repatriation even when we were in the EU.

The disparity between numbers in vs numbers out under the Dublin agreement are due to those who have family in the UK - the Dublin rules mean the UK can be made responsible for their application for residency/asylum.

It doesn't seem to be working any better for other EU countries either, in terms of requests vs actual people leaving. 2019:

In short, Dublin wasn't having much effect and lamenting it's passing as some sort of solution to the current situation is a bit misguided imo.

 

[Psamathe]

The only stats available are those for when we were still in the EU, as obviously the Dublin agreement went when we left. They show it wasn't making much impact on repatriation even when we were in the EU.

I suspect much of what did and didn't happen might be down to the political party in power and their focus/ideology. Just because something didn't happen back then does not mean it could not happen nor that in different time it would not happen.

What rules are used and when is very "variable" eg there are laws about using mobile phones to post to Twitter whilst driving your car that never seem to be enforced. They could be but they just aren't.

 

[Pblakeney]

The main stats available from the UK are those for when we were still in the EU, as obviously the Dublin agreement went when we left. They show it wasn't making much impact on repatriation even when we were in the EU.

Exactly.
The tories weren't implementing it enough, and the tories got rid of the one tool that we had. Bravo!

 

[CXRAndy]

Im sure starmer and macron are quite shy about you knowing this


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[AuroraSaab]

Exactly.
The tories weren't implementing it enough, and the tories got rid of the one tool that we had. Bravo!

No EU country was able to implement it very well either though, that's the point. It wasn't the super weapon some on here would like to believe.

The whole of the EU is struggling with immigration and much of what the parties are offering is tweaking the edges and soundbites. Outposts in France and a return to the Dublin agreement aren't going to stop most of those who want to come to the UK.

 

[Psamathe]

No EU country was able to implement it very well either though, that's the point. It wasn't the super weapon some on here would like to believe.

The whole of the EU is struggling with immigration and much of what the parties are offering is tweaking the edges and soundbites. Outposts in France and a return to the Dublin agreement aren't going to stop most of those who want to come to the UK.

Certainly some EU countries wanted the immigrants. They help economies grow, etc.

 

[CXRAndy]

I thought it would have bern starmers hyperbole


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[briantrumpet]

Dan Hodges giving some wise advice to Starmer, who's still playing catch-up with events, whole McSweeney does polling on how the platitudes play with the 23 Reform voters who might swap to Labour in four years' time.

 

[Pblakeney]

No EU country was able to implement it very well either though, that's the point. It wasn't the super weapon some on here would like to believe.

The whole of the EU is struggling with immigration and much of what the parties are offering is tweaking the edges and soundbites. Outposts in France and a return to the Dublin agreement aren't going to stop most of those who want to come to the UK.

Again, we are back to "they will keep on coming and there is nothing we can do about it".
We used to have a tool. Now we have nothing.

 

[AuroraSaab]

What we had was already next to nothing. The annual returns under the Dublin agreement were less than one weeks arrivals just by boats in the channel, yet it's given mythic status on here as though it was a super weapon on illegal immigration thwarted only by Brexit. If we still had it I can't see how Labour would have magically multiplied the number of returns when other EU countries haven't managed it either.

I don't pretend to have the answers, but drastically reducing the time an asylum claim takes would be a start. The countries who have seen a reduction have taken radical steps that most of us would find unpalatable. I just don't subscribe to the idea that there are magic solutions that will address the issue. Those touted on here will imo cost a fortune and make little difference.

 

[Pblakeney]

What we had was already next to nothing. The annual returns under the Dublin agreement were less than one weeks arrivals just by boats in the channel, yet it's given mythic status on here as though it was a super weapon on illegal immigration thwarted only by Brexit. If we still had it I can't see how Labour would have magically multiplied the number of returns when other EU countries haven't managed it either.

Again, we are back to "they will keep on coming and there is nothing we can do about it".
We used to have a tool. Now we have nothing. Any actual proposals?