PurplePenguin
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This wasn't Surrey. Plus no stables, no water, poor quality grazing and poor access.
i did consider a side hustle in growing trees.
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This wasn't Surrey. Plus no stables, no water, poor quality grazing and poor access.
i did consider a side hustle in growing trees.
briantrumpet
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And the asking price would have been similarly elevated.
Pblakeney
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Wind or solar farm?
PurplePenguin
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Other than the lack of grid, that might have ruined the enjoyment factor unless I could have pleasured myself knowing how much I had annoyed the "save our fells" brigade.
First Aspect
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Your investment would mature in about 30 years. Unless you went into the Christmas tree market.
Actually all things considered, £95k sounds about £30k too much.
briantrumpet
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That's the kind of premium for the "Must have it" bid, before a bidder realises it's properly silly money and backs out.
BoldonLad
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I didn’t actually say otherwise, but, that means subsidy (out of taxes) and/or dearer food, either way we are paying. Why not just put them on a business footing like any other business
BoldonLad
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A right wing commentator calling for subsidies? 😂
First Aspect
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About 40% of farming income is subsidised (on average). I'll just leave that out there for comments on how hard done by they are.
BoldonLad
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Which means, to me, “farming” in it’s present form is not viable (on average).
briantrumpet
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How much of education is subsidised? Or healthcare?
This isn't whataboutery, rather illustrating that society makes choices about to what degree we hand over control of essential services to the free market, and to what degree we need to be able to guarantee access for everyone, and some degree of predictability.
briantrumpet
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Maybe it's not as it's structured, with massive power resting in the hands of supermarkets and consumers to make better or worse choices. I stuck Ukraine in here just as a counter example to richer EU nations and the US. (2023 figures from Our World In Data).
Sure, subsidies distort, but they give governments the power to set agricultural goals/outcomes they desire, whether they are skewed towards production or environmental goals.
BoldonLad
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I would suspect it is impossible to answer, in the case of Healthcare or Education. To the best of my knowledge, there is no DIRECT subsidy of Private Education or Private Healthcare, although there is undoubtedly some hidden subsidy in staff training if nothing else.
Farming is not a Government funded affair like NHS or Education. I suppose we could try Nationising Agriculture?, after all, Nationalisation is generally said to be a “good idea” isn’t it?, not sure it worked out too well in USSR, but, I am sure our esteemed Politicians could do a better job.
BoldonLad
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Don’t other industries have “consumers” and sales outlets (ie Supermarkets)?
I would agree that perhaps the structure of the industry needs to change, and, the various “power blocks” need to be “tamed” including the NFU and the big landowners (Duchy of Cornwall springs to mind, but, they are not alone).
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briantrumpet
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See how much money goes into the NHS, and NHS training, and there's your government support of healthcare. To be fair, if we look at the US model, you could argue forcefully that that subsidy actually reduces the average cost per treatment, but it's still taxes going into a business, albeit an essential one. Ditto state education. Both have been invented to supplant the purely private systems of the 19th century, but the government money means it controls the market through mahooosive funding streams. (And quite rightly so.)
