Starmer's vision quest

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So you think that letting people arrive illegally in small boats is the solution to labour shortages?

why would anyone cross the English Channel in small boats if there was freedom of movement?
 

Psamathe

Guru
... and I don't think Labour will change leader given how strongly they have campaigned on the musical chairs in the last Tory government.
It's becoming common for backbench Labour MPs to be expressing disagreements with Starmer's stance, even to the point of causing him to change policy. Might be that Labour backbenchers will start looking at their re-election prospects and balance that against one change of leadership after a couple of years in office.

For me the difficulty is forming a view about Starmer's prospects is that he doesn't seem to stand for anything so might start responding to his backbench, might move further right, might just finish his move to full Trűmpton fanboy. Impossible to see. And whichever direction and policy decisions he makes he'll probably be U-turning within months.
 
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The means of transport may change.

So you think that letting anyone in that wants to come here is a good idea? We have quite a number of people already here who could work but are not working.


You want government to block access to foreign labour *and* compell them to recruit reluctant local labour?

Maybe you don't really want government to stay out of way?
 

AuroraSaab

Pharaoh
why would anyone cross the English Channel in small boats if there was freedom of movement?

As I understand it, those crossing the channel mostly don't have rights of residency or asylum status in EU countries. They would not be eligible for EU type freedom of movement. As such, they won't be deterred from crossing the channel if it's reinstated. Unless you're suggesting freedom of movement for everybody to anywhere they like, all 80 billion of us .. but you can't be because that would be nuts.
 
As I understand it, those crossing the channel mostly don't have rights of residency or asylum status in EU countries. They would not be eligible for EU type freedom of movement. As such, they won't be deterred from crossing the channel if it's reinstated. Unless you're suggesting freedom of movement for everybody to anywhere they like, all 80 billion of us .. but you can't be because that would be nuts.


That would mean Stevo is nuts to say 'government should stay out of the way'

That doesn't seem right.
 
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CXRAndy

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As I understand it, those crossing the channel mostly don't have rights of residency or asylum status in EU countries. They would not be eligible for EU type freedom of movement. As such, they won't be deterred from crossing the channel if it's reinstated. Unless you're suggesting freedom of movement for everybody to anywhere they like, all 80 billion of us .. but you can't be because that would be nuts.

There are recorded incidents of illegal boat people discarding asylum papers already granted from European countries when they make the attempted crossing
 
If you didn't already think that McSweeney is away with the fairies, rather than an electoral genius...

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