Starmer's vision quest

[Stevo 666]

sure.
you want govt to get out of the way to let the economy grow but to be in the way of businesses utilising foreign labour to grow

So you think that letting people arrive illegally in small boats is the solution to labour shortages?

 

[TailWindHome]

So you think that letting people arrive illegally in small boats is the solution to labour shortages?

why would anyone cross the English Channel in small boats if there was freedom of movement?

 

[Psamathe]

... and I don't think Labour will change leader given how strongly they have campaigned on the musical chairs in the last Tory government.

It's becoming common for backbench Labour MPs to be expressing disagreements with Starmer's stance, even to the point of causing him to change policy. Might be that Labour backbenchers will start looking at their re-election prospects and balance that against one change of leadership after a couple of years in office.

For me the difficulty is forming a view about Starmer's prospects is that he doesn't seem to stand for anything so might start responding to his backbench, might move further right, might just finish his move to full Trűmpton fanboy. Impossible to see. And whichever direction and policy decisions he makes he'll probably be U-turning within months.

 

[Stevo 666]

why would anyone cross the English Channel in small boats if there was freedom of movement?

The means of transport may change.

So you think that letting anyone in that wants to come here is a good idea? We have quite a number of people already here who could work but are not working.

 

[CXRAndy]

Well done Rachel >100% business rate increases


View: https://x.com/i/status/2008305413012205901

 

[TailWindHome]

The means of transport may change.

So you think that letting anyone in that wants to come here is a good idea? We have quite a number of people already here who could work but are not working.

You want government to block access to foreign labour *and* compell them to recruit reluctant local labour?

Maybe you don't really want government to stay out of way?

 

[TailWindHome]

The means of transport may change.

So the small boat crisis would be solved
Noted

 

[AuroraSaab]

Actually I suspect they both will still be in post. Mood music is that BadEnoch is improving, and I don't think Labour will change leader given how strongly they have campaigned on the musical chairs in the last Tory government.

True.

 

[AuroraSaab]

why would anyone cross the English Channel in small boats if there was freedom of movement?

As I understand it, those crossing the channel mostly don't have rights of residency or asylum status in EU countries. They would not be eligible for EU type freedom of movement. As such, they won't be deterred from crossing the channel if it's reinstated. Unless you're suggesting freedom of movement for everybody to anywhere they like, all 80 billion of us .. but you can't be because that would be nuts.

 

[Shortfall]

Well done Rachel >100% business rate increases


View: https://x.com/i/status/2008305413012205901

This is potentially catastrophic for hospitality and pubs. They're basically fücked if they're all facing similar increases to the ones Kerridge is going to have to pay and from what I see and hear his is not an isolated case.

 

[TailWindHome]

As I understand it, those crossing the channel mostly don't have rights of residency or asylum status in EU countries. They would not be eligible for EU type freedom of movement. As such, they won't be deterred from crossing the channel if it's reinstated. Unless you're suggesting freedom of movement for everybody to anywhere they like, all 80 billion of us .. but you can't be because that would be nuts.

That would mean Stevo is nuts to say 'government should stay out of the way'

That doesn't seem right.

 

[Psamathe]

So the small boat crisis would be solved
Noted

Maybe we caused so many to get in dangerous small boats. Previously the majority were crossing stowing away on lorries. But when we improved security on that means people switched to using the dangerous small boats.

 

[CXRAndy]

As I understand it, those crossing the channel mostly don't have rights of residency or asylum status in EU countries. They would not be eligible for EU type freedom of movement. As such, they won't be deterred from crossing the channel if it's reinstated. Unless you're suggesting freedom of movement for everybody to anywhere they like, all 80 billion of us .. but you can't be because that would be nuts.

There are recorded incidents of illegal boat people discarding asylum papers already granted from European countries when they make the attempted crossing

 

[PurplePenguin]

I think there is a difference between not meddling and anarchy.

 

[briantrumpet]

If you didn't already think that McSweeney is away with the fairies, rather than an electoral genius...