Starmer's vision quest

[C R]

Except that neither Starmer or the Labour Party under him are on the left. Their whole schtick is that Starmer is not Corbyn.

I know, what I meant is that they, Starmer's lot, will blame the left for being purists and not supporting them.

Meanwhile, this is how you face the fascists without aping their soundbites.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ains-deputy-pm-on-the-need-for-workers-rights

 

[monkers]

I know, what I meant is that they, Starmer's lot, will blame the left for being purists and not supporting them.

Meanwhile, this is how you face the fascists without aping their soundbites.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ains-deputy-pm-on-the-need-for-workers-rights

Ah I see. I'll follow your link, thanks.

 

[matticus]

I know, what I meant is that they, Starmer's lot, will blame the left for being purists and not supporting them.

Meanwhile, this is how you face the fascists without aping their soundbites.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ains-deputy-pm-on-the-need-for-workers-rights

waitaminute ... isn't that article all about praise for the Workers Rights Bill that "Starmers Lot" are putting through?

 

[C R]

waitaminute ... isn't that article all about praise for the Workers Rights Bill that "Starmers Lot" are putting through?

Only partly, and to say that Starmer should not give in to rich businesses like he's done before. Also note the point about facing the fascists and not aping them in things like sickness benefits and immigration.

 

[matticus]

Only partly, and to say that Starmer should not give in to rich businesses like he's done before.

Oh really? Show me where the article (or the Spanish minsiter being quoted) says this.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ains-deputy-pm-on-the-need-for-workers-rights

While you look for that, here's the main thrust of the article:
"
In the UK, Labour’s workers’ rights package – much of which was negotiated with the party’s union backers in opposition – includes a right to a contract with regular hours, a ban on “fire and rehire”, and protection against unfair dismissal from day one of employment.

Like the Spanish reforms, it also strengthens the negotiating power of trade unions, making it easier for them to gain recognition in workplaces, for example.

Labour tabled amendments to the legislation last week, but these broadly strengthened the measures, rather than watering them down, despite intense lobbying from business groups."

 

[Ian H]

Oh really? Show me where the article (or the Spanish minsiter being quoted) says this.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ains-deputy-pm-on-the-need-for-workers-rights

While you look for that, here's the main thrust of the article:
"
In the UK, Labour’s workers’ rights package – much of which was negotiated with the party’s union backers in opposition – includes a right to a contract with regular hours, a ban on “fire and rehire”, and protection against unfair dismissal from day one of employment.

Like the Spanish reforms, it also strengthens the negotiating power of trade unions, making it easier for them to gain recognition in workplaces, for example.

Labour tabled amendments to the legislation last week, but these broadly strengthened the measures, rather than watering them down, despite intense lobbying from business groups."

Okay, they're not getting everything wrong, just most of it.

 

[matticus]

Okay, they're not getting everything wrong, just most of it.

"APART from Healthcare, viaducts ... " ;-)

 

[C R]

"APART from Healthcare, viaducts ... " ;-)

Healthcare we are yet to see. Infrastructure we are yet to see. Aping reform instead of confronting them? every day. For example, this from the article

'Spain’s unemployment rate has declined, from 14% at the start of 2022 to 11% at the end of last year (though it is still more than twice the level in the UK). The government has also made a positive argument for migration, by contrast with Labour in the UK, which has lambasted the Conservatives for running an “open border experiment”'.

Which was the main thrust of my post.

 

[C R]

John Crace, who is not known for being a Corbyn sympathiser, also wonders what exactly is the difference between labour and the conservatives and reform when it comes to helping those in need.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...it-of-the-doubt-now-they-slash-their-benefits

 

[icowden]

John Crace, who is not known for being a Corbyn sympathiser, also wonders what exactly is the difference between labour and the conservatives and reform when it comes to helping those in need.

Someone shine the Davey Signal. Time for a Lib-Dem / Green coalition!

 

[C R]

And now aping Musk's chainsaw too

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...f-radical-government-proposal-to-reform-state

FFS.

 

[multitool]

This is not a Trumpian ideological war on state services. It's looking to rationalise a notoriously bloated and staid sector.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

This is not a Trumpian ideological war on state services. It's looking to rationalise a notoriously bloated and staid sector.

Or just signalling to the potential Reform voters.

 

[C R]

This is not a Trumpian ideological war on state services. It's looking to rationalise a notoriously bloated and staid sector.

Why call it Project Chainsaw then?

 

[icowden]

Why call it Project Chainsaw then?

Cos Starmer's lost the farking plot. We thought we were getting a Labour Government, ideologically opposed to the previous administration. What we've got is low budget conservatism being run by people who are apparently clueless and running scared of people saying nasty things about them.