Starmer's vision quest

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CXRAndy

Über Member
I do find that weird though. As someone who worked professionally as a Barrister at QC level. You'd have thought he'd be an excellent communicator and interrogator, unflappable and secure. But...

I seen a couple of QC doing their work, one was bumbling, stuttering, but he did get his points across.

Another was a superb orator, smooth, confident flowing.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
I seen a couple of QC doing their work, one was bumbling, stuttering, but he did get his points across.

Another was a superb orator, smooth, confident flowing.

"I seen" ???
 

CXRAndy

Über Member
I found it funny and ironic that in a post referring to the oratory skills of QCs/KCs you demonstrate very poor grammar (not necessarily spelling) skills.

You are like the first QC you mentioned, except that you do not get your points across.

I thought you might put the two together.

Was an interesting few days watching the pinnacle of legal profession do their trade.
 

multitool

Guest
I do find that weird though. As someone who worked professionally as a Barrister at QC level. You'd have thought he'd be an excellent communicator and interrogator, unflappable and secure. But...

A barrister has to present a case based on the technical relationship between evidence and the law.

Trump is an excellent communicator. But he would be a shít barrister.
 

icowden

Squire
A barrister has to present a case based on the technical relationship between evidence and the law.
Exactly - he or she has to communicate with the Judge.

Trump is an excellent communicator. But he would be a shít barrister.
Agreed.
 

Psamathe

Well-Known Member
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Overcautious and flabby state? Jesus wept, is this what passes for political vision these days?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx29lrl826rt
Keir Starmer making speech on tackling 'overcautious, flabby' state - live updates
Problem is Starmer isn't a manager (or rather is a disastrous manager). He's proud of his time at the CPS but his managerial track record there is disastrous. A not released (but leaked) survey of CPS staff at the time highlighted his failings in this regard. I saw the survey on a "look but no copies" basis (I confess I ignored elements of that constraint) when I was involved with my local political party. It was leaked and I seem to remember the Evening Standard(?) reported some details.

Given the CPS staff are generally well educated and likely believe in the organisation, the survey identified that only 1 in 5 CPS staff believed that Starmer and management's actions were "consistent with the CPS's values". Just 12% believed "the organisation as a whole is managed well". Only 1 in 12 staff believed "change is managed well". And when senior management got the report instead of looking at their management or engaging with staff they initiated a program of staff "retraining".

I don't believe Starmer has thge skills to identify these issues and certainly not the solutions. But it does all depend on how involved Starmer is in this and how much he is just the mouthpeice for hopefully more capable people.

Ian
 

matticus

Guru
I saw the survey on a "look but no copies" basis (I confess I ignored elements of that constraint) when I was involved with my local political party.

I really hoped that political activists were operating to the highest ethical standards. :sad:
Is this sort of behaviour typical at grass roots level?
 
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