Starmer's vision quest

[C R]

A better long term solution is to completely rethink the paradigm of a 'growth' economy.
Grow more food locally. Build community based wind, watermill and solar power local networks. Stop relying on profiteers for unsustainable and often militaristic industrial production and consume less.

I am happy to hammer the middle classes. They are the ones who oppress me more or less directly by voting for their own comfort (propping up property prices in particular, being content to limit access to free higher education too) rather than working for an egalitarian society. Was ever thus.

Labour, as is, is merely the safety valve.

What are you, some kind of human with a conscience? Don't you know that went out of fashion in the 80s?

 

[Psamathe]

Build community based wind, watermill and solar power local networks

When I lived in France I had/lived in a watermill, river ran through the house. I started investigating hydro power generation. A lot of admin but also a lot of subsidy. Apart from finding the best design I'd need 2 reports, 2nd based on the results of the 1st, technical studies justifying the proposed solution and each report needed approving from a variety of authorities. But they were not horrendous to the point of discouraging, particularly as state would be paying a very significant component of the cost of the reports and final solution.

And the subsidy is really easy as you don't need prior approval, don't need to apply for limited budgets. You pay the bill and the company issues you with an invoice that includes certificate reference under "regulation: xyz", then when you fill in your yearly tax return you include the invoice and you get a rebate on the bill (and if you tax due goes negative you get a refund).

Easy. And the tax mechanism works well as I did separately install an unrelated sustainable energy solution and got the appropriate invoice with regulation reference and did claim on my tax return and it works easily.

Ian

 

[farfromtheland]

When I lived in France I had/lived in a watermill, river ran through the house. I started investigating hydro power generation. A lot of admin but also a lot of subsidy. Apart from finding the best design I'd need 2 reports, 2nd based on the results of the 1st, technical studies justifying the proposed solution and each report needed approving from a variety of authorities. But they were not horrendous to the point of discouraging, particularly as state would be paying a very significant component of the cost of the reports and final solution.

And the subsidy is really easy as you don't need prior approval, don't need to apply for limited budgets. You pay the bill and the company issues you with an invoice that includes certificate reference under "regulation: xyz", then when you fill in your yearly tax return you include the invoice and you get a rebate on the bill (and if you tax due goes negative you get a refund).

Easy. And the tax mechanism works well as I did separately install an unrelated sustainable energy solution and got the appropriate invoice with regulation reference and did claim on my tax return and it works easily.

Ian

The industrial revolution in northern Britain was initially built on water power.
I think it's best to build independent of the subsidies as far as possible, but I dare say there are some engineers who will work for sustainable systems worldwise.
Nuclear power is a dangerous sidetrack, as I believe is becoming apparent.

 

[icowden]

Show me some counter evidence then.

You can't provide counter evidence if there is no evidence. So provide some actual evidence and not a puff piece by a company looking to make money. The article is risible. Apparently there were only 626 applications from people looking to buy a nice property in Greece up from 427 applications, and 156 more for portugal.

The UK population is 66 million give or take. 40% regard themselves to be in the middle class. You regard 200 people as being a mass exodus due to taxes!?

Is it just possible that as both Greece and Portugal changed the rules in 2024 to make golden visas harder to obtain, that Aston's is trying to drum up trade, and that the increase in applications was caused by people getting in quick before the rules changed?

 

[Psamathe]

I think it's best to build independent of the subsidies as far as possible

I agree but we subsidise hydrocarbons, subsidise cutting down ancient trees in Canada, shipping them to UK and burning them, etc.

Ian

 

[farfromtheland]

By all means utilise subsidies where practical, but hopefully don't get tied in to energy grid futures?

You've hit me on my weak spot. When my legs worked I looked fairly hard to get sustainable skateboards Deck prices have risen since then, which is a good sign. Bamboo is a bit too giving, but do-able. Urethane wheels are a bigger problem - Back to the latex!

 

[Stevo 666]

I'm aiming - was pushed actually - to move out of London for a start. Assemble my own solar kit and grow veg. Fish with a boat. That sort of thing.

I'm also aiming to present a case for rejecting consumerism in as many places as I can. It takes two generations at least to build a movement but most of the people who are essentially sympatica/o probably don't spend too much energy on the internet now.

Fair does, it's a plan. I got out of London (well the 'burbs) 4 years ago and never looked back. The Mrs grows some veg but that's about as far as it goes for now.

 

[Stevo 666]

You can't provide counter evidence if there is no evidence. So provide some actual evidence and not a puff piece by a company looking to make money. The article is risible. Apparently there were only 626 applications from people looking to buy a nice property in Greece up from 427 applications, and 156 more for portugal.

The UK population is 66 million give or take. 40% regard themselves to be in the middle class. You regard 200 people as being a mass exodus due to taxes!?

Is it just possible that as both Greece and Portugal changed the rules in 2024 to make golden visas harder to obtain, that Aston's is trying to drum up trade, and that the increase in applications was caused by people getting in quick before the rules changed?

So no counter evidence then. What a surprise.

I'll give you another chance: got anything to show that the info in the linked article is not correct? (Clue: the fact that you don't like the Telegraph is not a reason why it might be incorrect) 😉

 

[Ian H]

A non-existent millionaire exodus is being widely reported in the news again today, despite the authors of the claim backtracking on it following recent criticism by tax justice campaigners.
The media coverage is primarily based on a report published by Henley & Partners, a firm that sells golden passports to the superrich and advises governments on setting up such schemes. The European Court of Justice recently ruled one such scheme, that of Malta, to be unlawful.
https://taxjustice.net/press/millionaire-exodus-claim-backtracked-but-media-re-run-story-anyway/

 

[icowden]

So no counter evidence then. What a surprise.
I'll give you another chance: got anything to show that the info in the linked article is not correct? (Clue: the fact that you don't like the Telegraph is not a reason why it might be incorrect) 😉

I haven't said it isn't correct. I've said the report is statistically non existent and the reported increase likely due to the external factor of both Greece and Portugal applying much more severe restrictions on their golden visa policy.

You don't get to "give me another go" after wanging on about the Brexit report for days. It's almost as if you don't like it when people pick holes in your argument.

Face it. Your article is a pointless load of shoot .

Try harder next time.

 

[Xipe Totec]

Didn't realise you were North of the border. Kind of understand where you're coming from even if I don't agree. The SNP have very successfully toxified and discredited themselves without anyone else having to intervene and are now paying the price.

As long as you appreciate that your view of the SNP - every piece of information you have ever received - comes to you via UK based media which, regardless of political orientation, diametrically opposes the fundamental reason for the party existing.

I think very few people outside of Scotland realise that, despite it being an inarguable fact when you think it through.

 

[BoldonLad]

You can't provide counter evidence if there is no evidence. So provide some actual evidence and not a puff piece by a company looking to make money. The article is risible. Apparently there were only 626 applications from people looking to buy a nice property in Greece up from 427 applications, and 156 more for portugal.

The UK population is 66 million give or take. 40% regard themselves to be in the middle class. You regard 200 people as being a mass exodus due to taxes!?

Is it just possible that as both Greece and Portugal changed the rules in 2024 to make golden visas harder to obtain, that Aston's is trying to drum up trade, and that the increase in applications was caused by people getting in quick before the rules changed?

Population figure a bit low isn't it?,

40% middle class, Starmer and Reeves need to change their targeting.

 

[First Aspect]

Solution to this particular issue is to not overtax the internationally mobile wealthy so they don't leave. In particular the global IHT reg seems to be the biggest issue. And don't hammer the middle classes and not quite as wealth entrepreneurs quite as much so they might be less inclined to leave.

Sadly lefty governments seem to be able to grasp this, so the answer definitely isn't Labour.

If you aren't going to "hammer' the rich or middle classes, what's the plan, Batma

 

[First Aspect]

I also have a crackpot engineering scheme to build a rechargeable compressed air power system for my boat. Home processed methane generators are also a possible. Cleaner to harvest and burn it than let it fly.

Can you replicate your proposals 68 million times within the available space?

One of my neighbours lives off grid. He needs about 4 acres to do it. But they are very good acres. Not sure he could manage with 4 in Northumberland. Perhaps there would be a lottery...

 

[CXRAndy]

If you aren't going to "hammer' the rich or middle classes, what's the plan, Batma

Create an economy that encourages those willing to invest and take risk in business