Starmer's vision quest

[Beebo]

Mandelson-Epstein causing Starmer problems in PMQs

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I think this is going to be a problem.
Mandelson is already saying he expects more embarrassing correspondence to be leaked.

Starmer only put Mandelson in office because he is oily enough to get on with Trump,

I don’t think there is any loyalty, but they need each other for political reasons.

 

[Psamathe]

Mandelson-Epstein causing Starmer problems in PMQs

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I think this is going to be a problem.
Mandelson is already saying he expects more embarrassing correspondence to be leaked.

Starmer only put Mandelson in office because he is oily enough to get on with Trump,

I don’t think there is any loyalty, but they need each other for political reasons.

I agree. Epstein was a widespread high profile scandal before and during the time Mandelson was appointed checks by Starmer would have highlighted risks should more information emerge. Even just asking Mandelson "Any nasties to crawl out of the woodwork?". So not only an issue about Mandleson but also a big issue questioning Starmer's judgement in appointing Mandelson.

 

[Stevo 666]

The story is allbollox. Ratcliffe's move to the US is nothing to do with the Starmer government or the UK. Ineos has been increasing it's debt for a while and the only country that still has a major appetite for oil is the USA. He may get a surprise when US debt goes critical and taxes have to be raised.

It's not about him moving, its about his money going elsewhere.

 

[Stevo 666]

In other news, the poor, underpaid tube drivers reveal their reasons for striking....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...triking-because-cannot-buy-london-72k-salary/

 

[Bromptonaut]

In other news, the poor, underpaid tube drivers reveal their reasons for striking....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...triking-because-cannot-buy-london-72k-salary/

The argument that people, whether tube/train drivers or Doctors, don't need pay increases because they earn £x thousand already is fallacious.

They are as entitled as anybody else to seek to maintain their living standards.

 

[Stevo 666]

The argument that people, whether tube/train drivers or Doctors, don't need pay increases because they earn £x thousand already is fallacious.

They are as entitled as anybody else to seek to maintain their living standards.

Time to be realistic. How much do you think they would need to be paid to afford a house in London?

Many would also argue that their package (including a final salary pension scheme) is already pretty generous for a job like that. And apparently the poor darlings are suffering from stress and burnout caused by their brutal 35 hour week.

 

[CXRAndy]

Did you see the tube driver, watching a film, doing knitting, and pressing a button, pulled lever to control the train-all for £75K Wage

 

[Rusty Nails]

Time to be realistic. How much do you think they would need to be paid to afford a house in London?

Many would also argue that their package (including a final salary pension scheme) is already pretty generous for a job like that. And apparently the poor darlings are suffering from stress and burnout caused by their brutal 35 hour week.

In the capitalist system of market forces they are worth exactly what it takes for employers to employ them. if withdrawing their labour causes their employer more financial or other problems than paying them what they ask then that is just just the sort of good negotiation skills and understanding of market value that righties admire.

It is not up to the 'many' who would argue their pay is already generous to decide their pay levels but is a negotiating matter between employer and employees.

 

[C R]

In the capitalist system of market forces they are worth exactly what it takes for employers to employ them. if withdrawing their labour causes their employer more financial or other problems than paying them what they ask then that is just just the sort of good negotiation skills and understanding of market value that righties admire.

It is not up to the 'many' who would argue their pay is already generous to decide their pay levels but is a negotiating matter between employer and employees.

I would suggest to those posters playing the envy card regarding the salaries of the tube drivers that they (the posters) could apply for one of those jobs.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Ratcliffe has extracted all the government funding that he could so moving abroad is the obvious next step.

His only interest in United was/is to build a new stadium, regenerate the area, whilst getting the govt to fund it and then cream off all the profit.

 

[Pblakeney]

His only interest in United was/is to build a new stadium, regenerate the area, whilst getting the govt to fund it and then cream off all the profit.

Should not come as a surprise as that was the model used to build his oil industry.

 

[BoldonLad]

In the capitalist system of market forces they are worth exactly what it takes for employers to employ them. if withdrawing their labour causes their employer more financial or other problems than paying them what they ask then that is just just the sort of good negotiation skills and understanding of market value that righties admire.

It is not up to the 'many' who would argue their pay is already generous to decide their pay levels but is a negotiating matter between employer and employees.

More or less true (IMHO), it's the law of supply and demand. It is distorted however if the Employer is, or can be, backed by public funds, in which case, it is not a "true" market.

 

[BoldonLad]

I would suggest to those posters playing the envy card regarding the salaries of the tube drivers that they (the posters) could apply for one of those jobs.

exactly

 

[pinkbikini]

A life in London without tube drivers would be grim. No need to listen to those who live in the ‘burbs complaining.

 

[pinkbikini]

I think this is going to be a problem.
Mandelson is already saying he expects more embarrassing correspondence to be leaked.

Starmer only put Mandelson in office because he is oily enough to get on with Trump,

I don’t think there is any loyalty, but they need each other for political reasons.

I agree - it’s a problem for Starmer. I’m quite glad that he’s ‘lawyerly’ though - not making snap decisions now because rabid media demands so. Who’d want a PM who bends like a reed in the wind to riled up public opinion? Short-termism is already destroying politics enough. There’s quite a lot riding on this due to the UK bending over for the orange man.