Starmer's vision quest

[briantrumpet]

No idea.

As an aside, it's curious, that Labour is hell bent on digital id cards for all, yet they were completely against voter id.

Actually, Copilot suggests that none of them have, though obviously Johnson was the one who introduced mandatory ID for voting at elections.

 

[CXRAndy]

Is Starmer about to fall into the hypocrisy hole over land deal with parents.


View: https://x.com/NoFarmsNoFoods/status/1972115405620830228?t=bwdyLEq3GKOu7MPAv4QMUw&s=19

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/TerraOrBust/status/1972023548740030835?t=pKM9pAVVE-2ZGJ4Bf4C21g&s=19


When you preach against the very idea and then........

 

[CXRAndy]

Why is the government standing guarantor for Jaguar loan.

Jaguar killed themselves by going woke

 

[briantrumpet]

Obviously, if the above is a completely legal way to reduce the tax burden on inheritance, I'm sure than anyone who is an expert in legally reducing tax burdens will be fully in favour of the sensible tax planning.

If I'm reading Neidle's piece correctly, it looks like Starmer's putting the field in a trust wasn't anything even sneaky-but-legal. Not sure why it deserved a piece in the Graun. https://taxpolicy.org.uk/2025/09/28/keir-starmer-trust-and-iht-facts/

Mr Starmer hasn’t been willing to explain why he created the trust. All his team would say to the Sunday Times is:

“Keir Starmer’s decision to allow his parents to use a field he bought them for £20k in the late stages of their lives had nothing to do with any tax considerations. He simply wanted to help his parents keep donkeys.”

That doesn’t really answer the question. Nobody’s suggesting he let his parents use a field for tax reasons. The question is whether he created a trust for tax reasons.

My personal view is that, if he did, this wasn’t tax avoidance – because the tax outcome he achieved was the same as if he’d owned the field himself but let his parents use it. That contrasts with some uses of trusts to (supposedly) magically eliminate tax liabilities – they are definitely tax avoidance, and usually don’t work (and may even constitute tax evasion).

 

[Psamathe]

Nah, think it's all part of McSweeney's 'strategy' to persuade non-existent Reform-voters-who-might-vote-Labour-if--they-sound-Reformy-enough to trust Starmer with their prejudices. To be fair, if you're doing that, with the amount of free and uncritical airtime Farage gets, you need eye-catching announcements every couple of days, if you're not going to actually rebut the tosh that Farage spews.

And press have switched focus away from Andy Brunham's leadership manoeuvres. Entire country has to pay for and get Digital ID as Starmer defends his personal political position ... and the [politicians] wonder why the public hold the in such contempt.

 

[CXRAndy]

What a shithole London is


View: https://x.com/DonnaLouise1212/status/1972201281940082733?t=1Pb6jyM2AYYha3huuUbOHA&s=19

 

[briantrumpet]

Obviously Starmer is an idiot for *not* using it for tax planning purposes, so I think he should resign.

 

[CXRAndy]

Y'all racists now


View: https://x.com/EssexPR/status/1972245184709886198?t=oJw8avaaRp2Bxgk8LQ200A&s=19

 

[briantrumpet]

Re the Syed piece...

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/addicted2newz/status/1972255162212483082?t=HOPghm80d5-FoNIBp-oT1Q&s=19

 

[spen666]

I took it as a simple, ill-thought out, kneejerk attempt to show he's tough on 'illegal' immigration. I suspect the main result would be another Windrush-style horror story.

I'm still struggling to grasp how it will affect "illegal" migration?

Those who come here "illegally" and get jobs in black economy are still going to do so
Those who come here "illegally" and abide by the restriction preventing them working whilst their "assylum" claim is being determined will not be affected
People travelling thousands of miles across many countries and destroying their documents will not be deterred by not having a digital id they will not need to work illegally and they do not need one to be put up somewhere waiting an asylum claim to be determined

 

[Psamathe]

I'm still struggling to grasp how it will affect "illegal" migration?

Those who come here "illegally" and get jobs in black economy are still going to do so
Those who come here "illegally" and abide by the restriction preventing them working whilst their "assylum" claim is being determined will not be affected
People travelling thousands of miles across many countries and destroying their documents will not be deterred by not having a digital id they will not need to work illegally and they do not need one to be put up somewhere waiting an asylum claim to be determined

Starmer hasn't thought that far ahead. Or maybe he just thinks that all those working illegally being paid under the table in cash will spontaneously decide to only work for reputable employers requiring a Digital ID they don't have.

Starmer needs only look across the Channel to see that IDs don't stop people working illegally.

So only real conclusion is it's an authoritarian Government introducing it for authoritarian reasons.

 

[briantrumpet]

Starmer hasn't thought that far ahead. Or maybe he just thinks that all those working illegally being paid under the table in cash will spontaneously decide to only work for reputable employers requiring a Digital ID they don't have.

Starmer needs only look across the Channel to see that IDs don't stop people working illegally.

So only real conclusion is it's an authoritarian Government introducing it for authoritarian reasons.

Or equally likely a ham-fisted attempt to placate an unplacatable portion of the electorate with an ill-thought-out idea that they thought they might be popular for other reasons (had they done the groundwork first).

 

[Psamathe]

Or equally likely a ham-fisted attempt to placate an unplacatable portion of the electorate with an ill-thought-out idea that they thought they might be popular for other reasons (had they done the groundwork first).

Maybe it gets worse when you think that these are the people who are running the country, the leaders who hold and determine our wellbeing, security, prosperity, etc. yet they can't even think through a simple idea like this ... beggars belief and rather worrying.