Starmer's vision quest

[C R]

Why can't the Palestinians defend themselves against the, often lethal aggression they've experienced since 1948 and before?

Because they're brown and their natural state is being oppressed by Europeans, HTH

 

[Ian H]

How can there be when vast numbers of Palestinians work in Israel

You mean like black S Africans were allowed to work in white areas under apartheid?

 

[CXRAndy]

You keep dancing around with whataboutery.

Hamas escalated a situation in gaza, killed over 1000, took hostages. They even boasted about sacrificing their own people for their cause.

Israel went to war, rest is history.

 

[All uphill]

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I didn't say it started then, it escalated.

“2,200 American servicemen killed at Pearl Harbor — we go on to kill 3.5 million Japanese, including 100,000 in one night. 2,800 Americans in 9/11 — we go on to kill 400,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq. We weren’t accused of genocide.

If Mexico had elected a jihadist cartel to run their country and they incurred into Texas, and on a per capita basis killed 35,000 people, a population of the University of Texas, and on the way back, took the freshmen class at SMU hostage and hid them under tunnels, what would we do? It’d be the great Sonora radioactive parking lot.

But Jews are not allowed, and Israel is not allowed to prosecute a war. And they are prosecuting a war more humanely than we have done.

The ratio of combatants to civilians — of civilian death to combatant mortality — is lower than it was in Mosul, lower than it was in Japan, lower than it was in Germany.

So there’s just a different standard for Jews and Israel when it comes to prosecuting a war. They’re allowed to fight back to a truce.

But unlike America or any other Western nation that is attacked as viciously, they're not allowed to win a war. It's a double standard.”

Andy, I disagree with every word of this, but have to compliment you on putting forward what reads like a reasoned and personal point of view.

 

[CXRAndy]

Andy, I disagree with every word of this, but have to compliment you on putting forward what reads like a reasoned and personal point of view.
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Erm, not sure if this is a compliment.

I'll take it as such

 

[glasgowcyclist]

How can there be when vast numbers of Palestinians work in Israel

I‘m not sure you understand the meaning of apartheid.

Jews in Israel enjoy much greater freedoms than Palestinians. The two groups are controlled by different legal systems. Jewish Israelis enjoy rights and privileges above any non-Jewish Israeli.

Non-Jewish citizens are treated differently in almost every area of society: education, employment, freedom of movement, health. Israeli laws and policies are used to institutionalise this system of racial discrimination.

So, forget even October 7th. From long before that this apartheid system has existed in Israel.

The question for you, then, is: why shouldn’t Israel be excluded from all international sports just as South Africa was?

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Andy, I disagree with every word of this, but have to compliment you on putting forward what reads like a reasoned and personal point of view.

It might be a point of view he personally agrees with, but he didn’t write it.

 

[Rusty Nails]

It might be a point of view he personally agrees with, but he didn’t write it.

It's a post from X.

 

[Pblakeney]

The question for you, then, is: why shouldn’t Israel be excluded from all international sports just as South Africa was?

...or, as Russia was?

 

[All uphill]

It might be a point of view he personally agrees with, but he didn’t write it.

I didn't suggest it was Andy's own work.

 

[Pross]

I really don’t get why the Government are so desperate to allow Maccabi Tel Aviv fans to watch the match. Even if the risk was low initially it must surely be much higher now after all the attention. Maybe they are hoping for a protest by Palestine Action so they can arrest a load of pensioners (or better still so they get beaten up by football hooligans).

 

[spen666]

Why do you assume the block is to protect the Israeli fans from violence against them? ....

Why? Because the statements I saw said it was because " ...they cannot guarantee the safety of the Maccabi fans..."

 

[glasgowcyclist]

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Why? Because the statements I saw said it was because " ...they cannot guarantee the safety of the Maccabi fans..."

Is that a direct quote, and is it the view of someone directly involved in the decision, or of an outside party?

 

[Xipe Totec]

I really don’t get why the Government are so desperate to allow Maccabi Tel Aviv fans to watch the match. Even if the risk was low initially it must surely be much higher now after all the attention. Maybe they are hoping for a protest by Palestine Action so they can arrest a load of pensioners (or better still so they get beaten up by football hooligans).

Perhaps because there's a high probability there will be violence, which under the narrative they've constructed they can characterise as antisemitic, and the doing of 'pro-Palestine protesters'.

And therefore a convenient excuse to 'clamp down on the hate-marches'. Which they've been desperate for justification to do for months.

 

[Psamathe]

Why is the Prime Minister getting involved in Police public safety issues. Policing is meant to be independent of Government. Government uses that excuse often enough when it suits them "We cannot comment as it's a Policing matter and policing in independent". But when it suits their narrative they seem more than ready tro start interfering.