Starmer's vision quest

[AuroraSaab]

The Home Office presenting the stats as a % is deliberately misleading, the actual numbers are miniscule, a few hundred people out of circa 100,000 asylum claims.

It's a small number in relation to the number of annual asylum claims in total, but it's a large number as a % of those given student visas. Is there a % at which it should be considered that students are deliberately using the visa scheme to claim asylum or do we just write it off because the relative numbers are small?

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/i/status/2032731232715288978

 

[BoldonLad]

I think the stats are something like 2/5ths of rapes of women, are carried out by their partner, if the above drivel is true, there are a lot of "WHITE British girls" (just quoting the words from the OP) with Muslim Partners.

 

[TailWindHome]

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View: https://x.com/i/status/2032731232715288978

Gonna need to see the workings for that stat

 

[Psamathe]

Re: Mahmood Banning Marches
I think Ms Mahmood has set a nasty precedent banning the proposed march in part "... due to the scale of the protest and multiple counterprotests, in the context of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East".

The particular march is an annual event plus it will be a lot lot smaller than other marches that have happened before so "scale of march" is complete rubbish. Similarly "in the context of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East" - people don't protest whe everything is going well, morally and there is nothing to protest about.

So it's actually the "multiple counterprotests" and that is the one that sets the precedent. If "UK Field Sports Unlimited" proposed to protest against the fox hunting ban, then I could concort 10 organisations (register a few domains and create a few websites) and ask permission to counterprotest and ... blocked the pro-foxhunting protest. Easy way to block people from protesting saying you intend to counter-protest.
... Lost freedom (thank you Ms Mahmood, but I guess she's achieved her aims).

 

[secretsqirrel]

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Re: Mahmood Banning Marches
I think Ms Mahmood has set a nasty precedent banning the proposed march in part "... due to the scale of the protest and multiple counterprotests, in the context of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East".

The particular march is an annual event plus it will be a lot lot smaller than other marches that have happened before so "scale of march" is complete rubbish. Similarly "in the context of the ongoing conflict in the Middle East" - people don't protest whe everything is going well, morally and there is nothing to protest about.

So it's actually the "multiple counterprotests" and that is the one that sets the precedent. If "UK Field Sports Unlimited" proposed to protest against the fox hunting ban, then I could concort 10 organisations (register a few domains and create a few websites) and ask permission to counterprotest and ... blocked the pro-foxhunting protest. Easy way to block people from protesting saying you intend to counter-protest.
... Lost freedom (thank you Ms Mahmood, but I guess she's achieved her aims).

As I understand it the Met asked Mahmood if it could be be cancelled. She put it to parliament and there was cross party agreement.

Al-Quds day will be marked with a static protest instead of a march.

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/i/status/2032594300639600871

 

[Psamathe]

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As I understand it the Met asked Mahmood if it could be be cancelled. She put it to parliament and there was cross party agreement.

Al-Quds day will be marked with a static protest instead of a march.

She chose to say "Yes, ban it". She could have said "No, freedoms are important".

 

[AuroraSaab]

Gonna need to see the workings for that stat

Pearson has extrapolated the accepted figure for Rotherham victims (1,400, which includes all csa victims) as likely applying to other towns in which it has been established that there were grooming gangs operating. Although there are a very high number of victims his extrapolation is not a reliable estimate. I would like to see a comprehensive national inquiry that looks at all the towns, all the councils, police involvement, and all cultural factors involved. Pearson's unverified stats don't really help that to happen.

 

[TailWindHome]

Pearson has extrapolated the accepted figure for Rotherham victims (1,400, which includes all csa victims) as likely applying to other towns in which it has been established that there were grooming gangs operating. Although there are a very high number of victims his extrapolation is not a reliable estimate.

That's a calculation only a moron would believe.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

It's a small number in relation to the number of annual asylum claims in total, but it's a large number as a % of those given student visas. Is there a % at which it should be considered that students are deliberately using the visa scheme to claim asylum or do we just write it off because the relative numbers are small?

The point we were discussing was whether this was performative on behalf of the govt, which the low numbers would suggest it is.

Ignoring any possible performative aspect and just considering the % as you suggest, I don't believe you can call it a "large number" as you say it is. Students on Visas make up about 13% of all asylum claimants. In addition, the percentage of all students on Visas that claim asylum is about 3.5%. The number also fell by 10% from 2024-2025. It is subjective, but I don't see either of those as a large number.

As for whether that number, represents 'abuse' of the system, you would need to know how many student asylum applications were successful, which is not available. For the govt. to suggest it constitutes abuse without confirming whether or not these applications are successful makes their claim performative IMO.