Starmer's vision quest

[Dorset Boy]

Starmer was clearly feeling the heat - he was far from convincing, stuttering regularly and trying to avoid the point Dan Coates had picked up on that was thrown at him .
He's good on the international stage, but pretty crap domestically.

Labour will get slaughtered in May, but is anyone in the Labour party strong enough to take him down?

 

[Pross]

Starmer was clearly feeling the heat - he was far from convincing, stuttering regularly and trying to avoid the point Dan Coates had picked up on that was thrown at him .
He's good on the international stage, but pretty crap domestically.

Labour will get slaughtered in May, but is anyone in the Labour party strong enough to take him down?

I guess that’s the problem when you have such a large parliamentary swing. You end up with a lot of inexperienced MPs. The same happened with the Tories and was exacerbated by the internal fighting that drove out the experienced centrists in the Party and has left them with a hollow shell.

 

[Ian H]

Michael Rosen excels himself.
Good evening. Very grave accusations have been directed at me over the last few days and again in the House of Commons today. I want to be absolutely clear absolutely about this: I take these accusations very seriously indeed. Indeed I do. It's time to draw a line in the line where the sand is clear for all to see. I've been transparent about this. And clear. If I had known that Peter Mandelson was in any way problematically a problem I would have been clear with him. I would have said to him, 'Peter this job is not for you.' I was appalled, shocked and appalled when I heard for the very, very, very first time a few minutes ago that Peter Mandelson had been to the vets. And worse - I want to be clear about this - he failed. But at no point was I told. I am furious, appalled, shocked and furious about this. If I had known, I would have known. That's clear. And I put it you now - and I'm being transparent about this - I didn't know that I didn't know. It didn't come across my desk. In fact, I don't know where my desk is. In actual fact, and I want to be clearly transparent about this - I don't know that I've got a desk. Or a vet.
No questions.
Good evening.

 

[C R]

Michael Rosen excels himself.
Good evening. Very grave accusations have been directed at me over the last few days and again in the House of Commons today. I want to be absolutely clear absolutely about this: I take these accusations very seriously indeed. Indeed I do. It's time to draw a line in the line where the sand is clear for all to see. I've been transparent about this. And clear. If I had known that Peter Mandelson was in any way problematically a problem I would have been clear with him. I would have said to him, 'Peter this job is not for you.' I was appalled, shocked and appalled when I heard for the very, very, very first time a few minutes ago that Peter Mandelson had been to the vets. And worse - I want to be clear about this - he failed. But at no point was I told. I am furious, appalled, shocked and furious about this. If I had known, I would have known. That's clear. And I put it you now - and I'm being transparent about this - I didn't know that I didn't know. It didn't come across my desk. In fact, I don't know where my desk is. In actual fact, and I want to be clearly transparent about this - I don't know that I've got a desk. Or a vet.
No questions.
Good evening.

Blair and accolites, the gift that keeps on giving (to PFI shareholders).

 

[spen666]

Take a hypothetical situation

If Starmer's position became untenable ( for whatever reason or a combination of reasons) and he feels his party have betrayed him.
What is there to stop Starmer asking the King to dissolve Parliament ( and thereby call a General Election) and after Parliament has been dissolved, Starmer resigns as leader of Labour - thus forcing a leaderless Labour Party into turmoil in an election campaign - The ultimate revenge for a betrayed PM?

 

[TailWindHome]

Nothing

Nothing really stopping him from dropping his trousers and mooning the Speaker either.

 

[TailWindHome]

lol

 

[PurplePenguin]

Take a hypothetical situation

If Starmer's position became untenable ( for whatever reason or a combination of reasons) and he feels his party have betrayed him.
What is there to stop Starmer asking the King to dissolve Parliament ( and thereby call a General Election) and after Parliament has been dissolved, Starmer resigns as leader of Labour - thus forcing a leaderless Labour Party into turmoil in an election campaign - The ultimate revenge for a betrayed PM?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascelles_Principles

King says no.

 

[Psamathe]

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The one thing that helps him is that there is no obvious successor at present
Burnham - not an MP
Angela - still got the HMRC business to get sorted
Wes - is he really a successor?
Ed Miliband - not sure he is credible with the country

Who else is there - hence Starmer continues to limp on

Additionally, all indications are local elections will be a disaster. Any challenge stands a far better chance (Starmer has a far weaker defence") after the electoral disaster whereas challenge now and Starmer can blame the disaster on the challenge ("Not my fault, we are looking disorganised thanks to this challenge ...").

 

[Pblakeney]

Given current polling anyone within Labour calling for an early election would be committing electoral suicide.
Ergo, ain't gonna happen. Don't get your hopes up.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Liar or bedshitter apparently


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9-lMAWcdKU

 

[icowden]

Liar or bedshitter apparently

Worth watching to the punchline at the end which is very wryly observed...

 

[briantrumpet]

I suspect that Mahmood's advice will have exactly the same effect on Labour voters that similar advice from a pub landlord had on me, when I had the temerity to point out that his Usher's Best (76p per pint, at the time) was past its best (he turned to his wife and said "Tell him to piss off!, which I did so for ever more, despite having been a twice-weekly patron for a few years).

Is there a photo of Mahmood in which she doesn't look smug?

 

[Shortfall]

Liar or bedshitter apparently


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9-lMAWcdKU

Nails it.

 

[Psamathe]

An aspect to the Robbins situation that emerged today I find particularly troubling is how No10 were intending to sack Doyle so were trying to get Robbins to push him into some diplomatic post and for it to be kept secret from the Secretary of State for FCDO.

110% jobs for the boys. Not best person for a given role but a kick-back, sort of "pay-off" done under the table. Using taxpayer funded diplomatic posts for their mates.

This is the clean and honest above board government Starmer promised us.