Starmer's vision quest

[Psamathe]

Angela has finally spoken: Rayner delivers 'last chance' warning to Starmer

Starmer seems to be spending much of his time in office handling 'last chance warnings', doing resets (that just miss any target) and doing U-Turns all whilst admitting "poor judgement".

 

[briantrumpet]

Starmer seems to be spending much of his time in office handling 'last chance warnings', doing resets (that just miss any target) and doing U-Turns all whilst admitting "poor judgement".

It keeps his mind off doing any actual politics.

 

[secretsqirrel]

It keeps his mind off doing any actual politics.

He should do less politics and more governing.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Bated breath this morning. They don't appear to have given a precise time for this very important speech. I'm on tenterhooks (not literally, younger people).

 

[briantrumpet]

Bated breath this morning. They don't appear to have given a precise time for this very important speech. I'm on tenterhooks (not literally, younger people).

I think it'll be a *big reset* for carrying on exactly as they have been, but harder, because there's one Reform voter left in Sunderland who hasn't understood the message yet. You and me, we can FRO, but harder.

Oh, and he's going to give Boris Johnson a contract to pursue even more cakeism with the EU, but paying the EU just enough money to piss off the Brexiters (clue, that's anything above 1€).

Hope that's cleared that up.

 

[Pblakeney]

"We want change!"
Yeah, change to what? How is it going to be achieved?

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I think it'll be a *big reset* for carrying on exactly as they have been, but harder, because there's one Reform voter left in Sunderland who hasn't understood the message yet. You and me, we can FRO, but harder.

Oh, and he's going to give Boris Johnson a contract to pursue even more cakeism with the EU, but paying the EU just enough money to piss off the Brexiters (clue, that's anything above 1€).

Hope that's cleared that up.

I wonder if they are going to really push ahead with trying to remove him (Labour MP's that is)? I have to admit I am more of the mindset now that installing a leader and Cabinet that is actually on the left and will enact the kind of policies that people actually voted for is the better solution. As you say, abundantly clear now that Starmer is not going to change, better not to waste 2 or 3 more years hoping he will.

 

[briantrumpet]

I wonder if they are going to really push ahead with trying to remove him (Labour MP's that is)? I have to admit I am more of the mindset now that installing a leader and Cabinet that is actually on the left and will enact the kind of policies that people actually voted for is the better solution. As you say, abundantly clear now that Starmer is not going to change, better not to waste 2 or 3 more years hoping he will.

Starmer will really put MPs in a dilemma if his response is word salad but along the lines I've suggested. It's the Biden Gambit: block anyone else being able to turn it around. It's infuriating, as I think Starmer would come across as a tiny bit more human (only a tiny bit) if he ditched the stupid red lines (even more stupid given how the world has shifted since he needlessly imposed them), replacing them with flexibility and pragmatism, and with it the anti-immigration rhetoric, which impresses no-one but the imaginary 'hero voters'.

I thought that with McSweeney going, Starmer wouldn't be a hostage of Blue Labour, but if he comes out saying "More of the same, but harder" this morning, we'll know that he's still a hostage, and apparently a willing one. If i were an MP in the larger, lefter bloc, I'd be plotting, but without an obvious figurhead, that's a tricky plot to plot.

As a side note, if Burnham let his ego get the better of him and resigned the Manchester mayoralty to try to become a Labour MP en route to trying to oust Starmer, it's obvious that that would go to Reform, based on the local election results.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Starmer will really put MPs in a dilemma if his response is word salad but along the lines I've suggested. It's the Biden Gambit: block anyone else being able to turn it around. It's infuriating, as I think Starmer would come across as a tiny bit more human (only a tiny bit) if he ditched the stupid red lines (even more stupid given how the world has shifted since he needlessly imposed them), replacing them with flexibility and pragmatism, and with it the anti-immigration rhetoric, which impresses no-one but the imaginary 'hero voters'.

I thought that with McSweeney going, Starmer wouldn't be a hostage of Blue Labour, but if he comes out saying "More of the same, but harder" this morning, we'll know that he's still a hostage, and apparently a willing one. If i were an MP in the larger, lefter bloc, I'd be plotting, but without an obvious figurhead, that's a tricky plot to plot.

As a side note, if Burnham let his ego get the better of him and resigned the Manchester mayoralty to try to become a Labour MP en route to trying to oust Starmer, it's obvious that that would go to Reform, based on the local election results.

This sounds sensible, but every time he does the ‘pragmatic’ thing he gets panned for doing U-turns.

He can’t win at anything and whoever replaces him will get the same treatment, because that is the state of the country, and commentators and voters who believe in magic wands can’t handle the truth.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I thought that with McSweeney going, Starmer wouldn't be a hostage of Blue Labour, but if he comes out saying "More of the same, but harder" this morning, we'll know that he's still a hostage, and apparently a willing one. If i were an MP in the larger, lefter bloc, I'd be plotting, but without an obvious figurhead, that's a tricky plot to plot.

I would tend to agree, if there is no sign of flexibility at this point, it does seem like an ousting (or attempted at least) is on the horizon. I agree with regards Burnham. To be honest, if it was me, I would be putting Ed Milliband front and centre. Experienced politician who has held high office and is actually on the left of the labour party.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

This sounds sensible, but every time he does the ‘pragmatic’ thing he gets panned for doing U-turns.

He can’t win at anything and whoever replaces him will get the same treatment, because that is the state of the country, and commentators and voters who believe in magic wands can’t handle the truth.

I would certainly agree that any replacement would get the same treatment, but I do wonder if we need someone with an attitude of F*** it, we were voted in as the labour party and we are going to enact socialist based policies, not try and pander to a voter base that has no interest. A good size chunk of the electorate has no intention of voting for them, so you may as well go big on trying to win back those who actually want a progressive left agenda.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I would certainly agree that any replacement would get the same treatment, but I do wonder if we need someone with an attitude of F*** it, we were voted in as the labour party and we are going to enact socialist based policies, not try and pander to a voter base that has no interest. A good size chunk of the electorate has no intention of voting for them, so you may as well go big on trying to win back those who actually want a progressive left agenda.

Brave, but yes a F*** it attitude is probably the only way to turn the ship around and the rest can clutch their pearls.

All the billionaires can have their assets ceased, take the small boats and do one

 

[First Aspect]

I would tend to agree, if there is no sign of flexibility at this point, it does seem like an ousting (or attempted at least) is on the horizon. I agree with regards Burnham. To be honest, if it was me, I would be putting Ed Milliband front and centre. Experienced politician who has held high office and is actually on the left of the labour party.

Ed Bendytoy is the "survivable crash landing" candidate. A tacit admission that they will lose the next GE but hope to at least remain relevant.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Ed Bendytoy is the "survivable crash landing" candidate. A tacit admission that they will lose the next GE but hope to at least remain relevant.

Could well be, but if you are the Labour govt. you are really at the cliched "point of no return" now and at least with his current brief, Milliband has shown some guts to actually stand up for net zero and may do so on other issues. You may as well work on the basis that if we are going to have a populist govt in a few years, at least show the electorate what an actual socialist govt. looks like, then people have a very real choice to make at the next GE

 

[First Aspect]

The problem with Milliband, and with bringing back Brown and The ghost of Clement Atlee is that this already looks like the Tories did after 13 years bringing back Cameron. It is a clear signal that there are no new ideas