Starmer's vision quest

[BoldonLad]

Weren't the Argentinians getting a bit uppity about the Falklands again? Not Keith's style, but he needs something of that ilk. There's a lot of patriots about you know.

Could HMS Dragon make it in time? 😊

 

[briantrumpet]

Pretty much.

I hate to be in a country where it matters so much in comparison to actual policies, but the charisma void and cardboard presentation is one of the reasons Fagash and the Tit Whisperer are cutting through so effectively. It's not so much what they are saying as how they are saying it.

The charisma void wouldn't matter if they were just getting good stuff done, but then to engage someone with a 'certain charisma' (Mahmood) to push stuff that just promotes the Reform agenda to the foreground, leaving Starmer reading merely average scripts (at best) with no real content makes you realise how hollow Starmer's turned out to be. Blimey, wearing his Y-fronts over his shirt tails and having an affair with Rayner would make him almost as interesting as John Major.

 

[TailWindHome]

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[Pblakeney]

There was also no-one with sense left by that stage, 2019 had purged them..

Dunno about that. Sunak was fairly sensible but it was too little, too late, and his ego obviously thought he could turn it around.
His ego was wrong.

 

[TailWindHome]

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[First Aspect]

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It's all a bit ill disciplined. I said after election that the official opposition was the labour party.

 

[First Aspect]

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Lemmings.

 

[briantrumpet]

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Red balloons?

Oh no, that was 99.

 

[TailWindHome]

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[Psamathe]

The over-riding consensus over on BR post BJ was that nobody with any sense would take the job.
I don't think labour are at the cut-off point yet but it is approaching.

There was also no-one with sense left by that stage, 2019 had purged them..

Or just that personal ambition trumps common sense. Arrogance, failure to dispassionately look at the real world, etc. Failure to see a strategy to achieve something that might be best achieved by waiting. Bit like the long distance runner where the final winner isn't bothered by people ahead of them in the early stages as they have their strategy that they know will give them the opportunity and advantage later when it matters.

 

[Stevo 666]

The same applies to the Tories, despite Badenoch trying to steal Reform's clothes. It is clear that at a time of great dissatisfaction with the government of the country the ruling party will suffer the backlash but at such a time you would normally expect the main opposition to benefit instead of making huge losses to add to those they suffered in the last GE.

The rise of Reform and, to a lesser extent the Greens, plus the nats in Scotland and Wales is not only to do with left or right but more to giving the established parties a kicking. I believe, if you ask those people who have voted for Reform why they did the answer would be "well they can't do any worse" without having a clue what their policies are other than stopping the boats and kicking the unwelcome immigrants out of the country.

Farage receiving a "personal gift" of £5m by the main party donor is apparently less important or "corrupt" than Starmer being given a pair of glasses and a sharp suit according to the MSM.

Good bit of whataboutery there, Rusty.

 

[Shortfall]

Over 60 now apparently.

I see no issue with a blow by blow account of such a fun event.

It's ace isn't it?

 

[Stevo 666]

It's ace isn't it?

Yep, and only going to get better. Might be worth getting some popcorn in when I next pop down the supermarket.

 

[icowden]

I don't think letting Burnham back into the commons will make any difference in the end. Labour look f****d and if anything, having someone like him in charge will only hasten the end of Labour's time in government.

Absolutely Stevo. Labour only have a majority of 156 seats. If 156 Labour MPs defect or stand down, anything could happen.

Of course what's likely to happen is that Labour will stay in power until they call an election in 3 years time. By that time, Reform will have strongly shown that they are a complete shootshow hopefully.

 

[Psamathe]

Of course what's likely to happen is that Labour will stay in power until they call an election in 3 years time. By that time, Reform will have strongly shown that they are a complete shootshow hopefully.

If that happens (I agree it's likely) I still wonder if Labour would recover. Maybe Greens and Conservatives benefit and Labour stay in the hole they've dug. Maybe somebody will remember a "rave from the grave", the Lib Dems ... OK maybe that stretching possibilities too much)?