Starmer's vision quest

[TailWindHome]

Quite possibly, but IMO Labour are screwed whoever ends up as PM after this episode.

If Reform get in we're all screwed.

 

[briantrumpet]

I'm not sure how we overcome this level of incivility and downright weaponised hatred. (David Blunkett, in the Financial Times.) It's hard enough to find the best least-worst solutions in troubled times as it is, but it's impossible if this is how political differences manifest themselves.

 

[TailWindHome]

If Streeting is part of a leadership contest, it'll be interesting to hear others' responses to his pitch, including his clear view that overcautiousness on making the case for the EU and the calamity of Brexit needs addressing.

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Injecting rejoining the EU into the conversation as your rival for the leadership fights a tight byelection in a 65% leave seat


Lol

 

[briantrumpet]

Injecting rejoining the EU into the conversation as your rival for the leadership fights a tight byelection in a 65% leave seat


Lol

Yeah, it looks like Burnham is tempering his public enthusiasm for rejoining.

 

[Stevo 666]

He did tell me he's fully conversant with the utility of the Laffer curve.

He's a personal friend of yours then? - kinda figures

 

[Stevo 666]

Surely you can't argue with this one @Stevo 666?
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nergy-water-under-public-control-keir-starmer

Maybe you explain to me why you think its a good idea/what the benefits are. Some cost estimates might be useful to include.

 

[Stevo 666]

If Reform get in we're all screwed.

You think more so than Labour party staying in power and led by (say) Burnham?

 

[Pross]

You think more so than Labour party staying in power and led by (say) Burnham?

Yes. Even more than a Sunak / Johnson led Tory party too (jury is out on whether it will be worse than Truss but we’ll have it for 5 years instead of a few days).

 

[TailWindHome]

You think more so than Labour party staying in power and led by (say) Burnham?

Yup.

I think it's bad enough that the Conservatives would get my vote if it meant keeping Reform out. (Theoretically of course. None of these parties stand in my constiuency.)

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Maybe you explain to me why you think its a good idea/what the benefits are. Some cost estimates might be useful to include.

@Stevo 666 's silly games. Last time I asked you about Thames Water, didn't you say it was run by the wrong sort of capitalists?

 

[Stevo 666]

Yes. Even more than a Sunak / Johnson led Tory party too (jury is out on whether it will be worse than Truss but we’ll have it for 5 years instead of a few days).

Given some of Burnham's likely could be 'Liz Truss' of Labour but with longer in power.

 

[Stevo 666]

@Stevo 666 's silly games. Last time I asked you about Thames Water, didn't you say it was run by the wrong sort of capitalists?

You can't want to answer the question then? If it's such a good idea, it should be pretty easy for you to explain. Go on, convince me if you can....

 

[Stevo 666]

Yup.

I think it's bad enough that the Conservatives would get my vote if it meant keeping Reform out. (Theoretically of course. None of these parties stand in my constiuency.)

We may get to see at some point fairly soon just how bad a further left version of Labour can be. Might change a few minds.

 

[Stevo 666]

Yes. Even more than a Sunak / Johnson led Tory party too (jury is out on whether it will be worse than Truss but we’ll have it for 5 years instead of a few days).

See my reply to TWH above.

 

[TailWindHome]

We may get to see at some point fairly soon just how bad a further left version of Labour can be. Might change a few minds.

Maybe, but I don't see a Labour government governing in a way that would lead me to prefer a vaccine-sceptic, climate change denying, racist Putin apologist in Downing St