Starmer's vision quest

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midlandsgrimpeur

Prostrate Member
Public sector borrowing for May was £23 bn, up 30% from May last year ......

The full years borrowing to March '26 was £22.8 billion less than the previous year. Presenting one month in isolation does not provide the full picture. The first two months of this financial year was £8.9 billion higher than the first two months of 2025, but their wasn't a war in the Middle East then, with the associated economic costs.
 

briantrumpet

Timewaster
This seems about right. For me, obviously the two 'resets' would involve dropping EU 'Red Lines' which are hampering any meaningful change in the the relationship, and getting rid of Mahmood, as she's only there to appeal to the staunch Reform vote, which is a lost cause. Makerfield suggests such pandering isn't necessary, if there's a message of (even minimal) hope rather than negativity.

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Psamathe

Legendary Member
This seems about right. For me, obviously the two 'resets' would involve dropping EU 'Red Lines' which are hampering any meaningful change in the the relationship, and getting rid of Mahmood, as she's only there to appeal to the staunch Reform vote, which is a lost cause. Makerfield suggests such pandering isn't necessary, if there's a message of (even minimal) hope rather than negativity.

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I would add getting rid of Ms Reeves. I feel she is a significant contributor to the start of the downturn in the perceptions of Starmer, with her Winter Fuel Allowance cut which pushed Starmer into U-turning, employer NI increases which continues to have business repeatedly talk about how it has constrained growth, etc.
 

Psamathe

Legendary Member
Not that I think Starmer would accept the post, but I think that this analysis is correct in both instances.

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It's something I've seen in other sectors. One company I worked for Sales Director was excellent, did an excellent job but then got made Managing Director and was useless at it (company got taken over by a competitor a few years after I moved on and worse the company taking them over was a company we'd been looking to take over back when I was there).

I can't see Starmer accepting the Foreign Office. He's too proud and that he lost the PM post so soon into having a massive majority despite wanting to stay. Plus he would be widely perceived as having "failed".
 

briantrumpet

Timewaster
On the Mandelson clique in effect destroying 'what might have been' in Starmerism.

https://thenewworld.substack.com/p/the-clique-that-destroyed-keir-starmer?r=11o05

I left thinking he might be a great Labour prime minister, perhaps even a Clem Attlee figure, and that’s what I told readers of what was then called The New European. Then I watched as he allowed Peter Mandelson to vet Labour’s candidates for the general election, needlessly handing the Chingford and Woodford Green constituency to the Tories because Faiza Shaheen – the sort of fluent and passionate young politician whom Labour needs – did not meet Mandelson’s standards of ideological purity.

I watched him unnecessarily provoke war with the party’s left, take fright every time he did something a little radical, reward loyalty not talent in his cabinet appointments, fire Sue Gray to make more room for Morgan McSweeney, push aside a respected and accomplished diplomat in Washington to make room for Mandelson, and all the rest. I have seen the stick of wood night after night on television.

I think now that Starmer is the best sort of radical lawyer, with few political skills, who subcontracted his political thinking to the Mandelson clique. And they have destroyed him.
 
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briantrumpet

Timewaster
The Observer seems to be writing up Starmer's departure as a fait accompli, in effect.

https://observer.co.uk/news/politic...-to-resign-on-monday-and-set-out-orderly-exit

"Keir Starmer is preparing to set out a timetable for his departure from No 10 this week after Andy Burnham’s triumphant return to Westminster in the Makerfield byelection.

"The prime minister is understood to have reached the conclusion that his position is no longer tenable after conversations in recent days with cabinet ministers, Downing Street advisers, trade union leaders, and party donors.

"Although Starmer is spending the weekend talking his future over with his wife, Victoria, at Chequers before making a final decision, senior Labour figures believe a “clear statement” could come as early as Monday."
 

briantrumpet

Timewaster
It's telling (I think) that this list does not mention immigrants/immigration, given that the categories have been listed by AI interpretation of respondents' own words, and yet, Labour pitched their tent on the Conservatives/immigration turf. I *think* it demonstrates why the McSweeney/Starmer chasing of their imagined 'hero voter' was as bad as an AI hallucination, and doomed to fail.

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briantrumpet

Timewaster
It's telling (I think) that this list does not mention immigrants/immigration, given that the categories have been listed by AI interpretation of respondents' own words, and yet, Labour pitched their tent on the Conservatives/immigration turf. I *think* it demonstrates why the McSweeney/Starmer chasing of their imagined 'hero voter' was as bad as an AI hallucination, and doomed to fail.

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The thread that's from is actually pretty good about identifying the multiple ways Starmer got it wrong, both in the politics and attempted delivery. (You don't need to do Bluesky to read this.)

https://skywriter.blue/@dylandifford.bsky.social/3mosuxeibh22k
 

briantrumpet

Timewaster
Starmer posted an anodyne Fathers' Day tweet, and apparently X piled in. I don't suppose it'll make him pause and wonder if that suggests X is terminally toxic, but it ought to, if he had an ounce of political sense.
 
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briantrumpet

Timewaster
Telling that only 6% voted for them due to their policies

Thy never sold an idea of hope & optimism at all as a strand of overcoming the difficulties. The overriding message was apparently chasing Reform's negativity, with the 'island of strangers' etc. They should have paid more attention to the kind of message that propelled Obama to two terms.
 
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AndyRM

Elder Goth
If, as looks likely, Starmer ends up going I truly despair for politics in the UK.

Chopping and changing leaders every few years/months gets us absolutely nowhere and provides an open goal for chancers in Reform and Restore to enhance the idea that the main parties are hopeless, and to push their hateful ideologies.
 

C R

Legendary Member
If, as looks likely, Starmer ends up going I truly despair for politics in the UK.

Chopping and changing leaders every few years/months gets us absolutely nowhere and provides an open goal for chancers in Reform and Restore to enhance the idea that the main parties are hopeless, and to push their hateful ideologies.

To be fair, many of us pointed out in here that this was a likely outcome because of Starmer's lack of vision, even before he became prime minister. The diagnosis is clear, but will Burnham learn from Starmer's failure?
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
To be fair, many of us pointed out in here that this was a likely outcome because of Starmer's lack of vision, even before he became prime minister. The diagnosis is clear, but will Burnham learn from Starmer's failure?

For sure. There was only multitool who was happy about it!
 
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