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BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
Of course. Sorry for the delay, I have spent nearly two days planning for the strikes!

Most jobs in the NHS are hugely over applied for, people are desperate to join the NHS workforce. We advertised a few months ago for an administrator, Band 5. Over 100 applications, which doesn't strike me as a place where recruitment and retention are issues.

True, in my experience, daughter No4 has been applying for the last two years, for a job for which she is qualified and has relevant experience.
 

PaulB

Active Member
Oh stop the childish fucking insults.

Are you saying that if we get the near 20% award that your Mrs will try 20% harder? Or are you saying she is only putting in 80% effort now?

Ask her what she an additional 20%ish in her pay packet will mean she will do after the strike to help patient care that she isn't doing now.

She couldn't try harder running her service on nowt and it's not her she wants the money for but her nurses, some of whom are having to use food banks now to keep them afloat. And I didn't insult you, that was a genuine hope on my part because frankly, I find you a disgrace to the service you claim to represent. And I mean a disgrace.
 

PaulB

Active Member

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gljtvwhcdhc&t=160s


To sum up for those who still cling to their destructive beliefs on this; to claim the nurses are 'holding the country to ransom' and that their claims will 'bankrupt the nation' should remember that money could always be found when it was required. The fat oaf, Boris Johnson lost £30bn overnight on Track and Trace (!) while £8.7bn went on the failure of PPE, nearly all of it into the pockets or tory donors. The failure of Brexit lost Britain £40bn in lost tax revenue and this week's PM lost £11bn on overpaying Britain's interest on debt.
 
Most jobs in the NHS are hugely over applied for, people are desperate to join the NHS workforce. We advertised a few months ago for an administrator, Band 5. Over 100 applications, which doesn't strike me as a place where recruitment and retention are issues.
You provide an example of an admin role but, for reasons I can only speculate, you didn't answer my question about nurses. Are there 100 applications for every nursing post? If so, why are there 47,496 Registered Nurse vacancies in the latest NHS report on the subject?

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How accurate is this piece?

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https://www.nurses.co.uk/blog/the-complex-costs-of-failing-to-retain-nhs-staff/
 

Craig the cyclist

Über Member
She couldn't try harder running her service on nowt and it's not her she wants the money for but her nurses, some of whom are having to use food banks now to keep them afloat. And I didn't insult you, that was a genuine hope on my part because frankly, I find you a disgrace to the service you claim to represent. And I mean a disgrace.

And a 20% pay increase will improve her service how exactly, because a pay increase won't buy her a new machine or a different environment or extra staff?
 

icowden

Squire
And a 20% pay increase will improve her service how exactly, because a pay increase won't buy her a new machine or a different environment or extra staff?
But it will help ensure that her staff can eat properly and sleep in a room that has some heat in it, so that they come to work refreshed and with more energy. It will help make them want to stay on doing Nursing and not quit for an Agency or Private Healthcare, or retrain for something that pays better.

Rested staff, eating properly means fewer mistakes, better wellbeing and therefore better patient outcomes. It's somewhat astounding that you don't realise that there is a link between staff health and better patient outcomes.
 

PaulB

Active Member
And a 20% pay increase will improve her service how exactly, because a pay increase won't buy her a new machine or a different environment or extra staff?

You're a disgrace to your supposed profession. You know what solidarity means? It means solidarity with your profession, not solidarity with the organisation that has a knife in your backs. And negotiation - you'd do well to look up what that means as well.
 

Wobblers

Member
And a 20% pay increase will improve her service how exactly, because a pay increase won't buy her a new machine or a different environment or extra staff?

Someone who isn't being distracted by worries on how they're going to pay for their heating/food/rent are more likely to be able to do a better job.

Better wages means that it will be easier to find people for those unfilled vacancies. So, yes, it will get extra staff. This is elementary economics.
 

PaulB

Active Member
Someone who isn't being distracted by worries on how they're going to pay for their heating/food/rent are more likely to be able to do a better job.

Better wages means that it will be easier to find people for those unfilled vacancies. So, yes, it will get extra staff. This is elementary economics.

As an example, my wife's just been telling me about one of her nurses who qualified seven years ago and even though she's just been promoted to a Band 6, she has to use a food bank as amongst other things, she's still paying off her punitive student loan.

She sees her nurses' dreams of becoming a valued benefit to society gradually becoming eroded by the economic realities of just what that means and the creeping disdain, sometimes open resentment they are now facing from the public stirred up by the right-wing press.

She currently has three jobs being advertised but will have to provide cover for these positions somehow for probably quite some time as there are no nurses applying for the roles, which exemplifies your post there.

If our good friend challenges me on specifics, I'm quite prepared to give more details.
 
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As an example, my wife's just been telling me about one of her nurses who qualified seven years ago and even though she's just been promoted to a Band 6, she has to use a food bank as amongst other things, she's still paying off her punitive student loan.

She sees her nurses' dreams of becoming a valued benefit to society gradually becoming eroded by the economic realities of just what that means and the creeping disdain, sometimes open resentment they are now facing from the public stirred up by the right-wing press.

She currently has three jobs being advertised but will have to provide cover for these positions somehow for probably quite some time as there are no nurses applying for the roles, which exemplifies your post there.

If our good friend challenges me on specifics, I'm quite prepared to give more details.

Band 6 nurses are on around £35k per year I would guess so what sort of salary would people need in order to have a reasonable standard of living then?

I assume she is living alone as surely any couple with 2 wages coming in, one of whichis £35k, should be in with a shout?
 
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