The Nasty Party (AKA the Tories), it's back!

[deptfordmarmoset]

Looks like he's going to be spending more time with his potato vaccine....

View: https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1613135335768166401

 

[Beebo]

Looks like he's going to be spending more time with his potato vaccine....

View: https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1613135335768166401

He compared the vaccine roll out to the holocaust!
The guy is nuts.

 

[newfhouse]

He compared the vaccine roll out to the holocaust!
The guy is nuts.

Right wing vaccine nut job. A slot on GBeebies awaits.

 

[cookiemonster]

Way back in the Blair/Brown days, the NHS was suffering from "bed blocking" due to an inadequate Social Care System (based on personal experience). This belief that the NHS is, or was, "best in the world" is part of the problem, it stifles change and innovation.

By international measures, in 2010, it was the best in the world.

 

[BoldonLad]

By international measures, in 2010, it was the best in the world.

Would that be "User Satisfaction Surveys"? if not some links to your source would be interesting.

 

[cookiemonster]

Would that be "User Satisfaction Surveys"? if not some links to your source would be interesting.

I’m sure you can look for yourself. I’m not doing your homework for you.

 

[BoldonLad]

I’m sure you can look for yourself. I’m not doing your homework for you.

So, you don’t have a link

"best" healthcare system is a meaningless statement, unless you define what is meant by best.

It would appear that in 2022 UK did not even make the top 10 https://www.william-russell.com/blog/countries-worlds-best-healthcare-systems/

Of the top 10, it would be interesting to know how many (if any) use a UK like model (I have no idea of the answer).

I do have some personal experience (anecdotal of course, but, I suppose my anecdotal evidence is a s bad, or, good, as yours) of two of the healthcare systems in the list (French and Spanish), as well, of course, our own UK system.

 

[icowden]

So, you don’t have a link

"best" healthcare system is a meaningless statement, unless you define what is meant by best.

It would appear that in 2022 UK did not even make the top 10 https://www.william-russell.com/blog/countries-worlds-best-healthcare-systems/

Of the top 10, it would be interesting to know how many (if any) use a UK like model (I have no idea of the answer).

I do have some personal experience (anecdotal of course, but, I suppose my anecdotal evidence is a s bad, or, good, as yours) of two of the healthcare systems in the list (French and Spanish), as well, of course, our own UK system.

It was a Theresa May cherrypick, in a sense it may have been, but in other senses maybe not.
https://fullfact.org/health/has-nhs-been-judged-best-healthcare-system-world/#
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10375877

It has always been significantly better than the USA though, so that's worth something!

 

[BoldonLad]

It was a Theresa May cherrypick, in a sense it may have been, but in other senses maybe not.
https://fullfact.org/health/has-nhs-been-judged-best-healthcare-system-world/#
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10375877

It has always been significantly better than the USA though, so that's worth something!

I didn't mention Teresa May.

I didn't even consider a "survey" or statement by any Politician, it is as meaningless as "best".

So, our criteria is "better than USA"?

Nothing like having a bit of ambition.

USA doesn't make the top ten either by the way.

Edited: to make it even more clear that my criteria is quality of the Health Service, not name calling any particular political party.

 

[icowden]

I didn't mention Teresa May.
I didn't even consider a "survey" or statement by a Politician, it is as meaningless as "best".

No, I did. I was providing the data as to where the notion that the NHS was the best in the world in 2010 came from

So, our criteria is "better than USA"?

It's a start - especially as it seems that the Tories want to take us that way...

 

[BoldonLad]

No, I did. I was providing the data as to where the notion that the NHS was the best in the world in 2010 came from



It's a start - especially as it seems that the Tories want to take us that way...

If you say so, but, personally, I would suggest, it is a start at going downhill, rather than improving.

I wasn't getting hung up on which Political Party, I was more interested in having a decent health service.

 

[BoldonLad]

No, I did. I was providing the data as to where the notion that the NHS was the best in the world in 2010 came from



It's a start - especially as it seems that the Tories want to take us that way...

You privy to @cookiemonster 's thought processes then?, or, was there only one survey saying the NHS was "best in the world" in 2010?

 

[Rusty Nails]

This strange fascination with our NHS ranking in the charts is reminiscent of the old Alan Freeman 'Pick of the pops" programme which used to chart the risers and fallers in the charts each week. Except that was very simple and based on recorded sales, whereas "best" health systems takes into account a whole range of factors including access, efficiency, costs, outcomes etc. and allows supporters/critics to cherry-pick which bits of it are best.

There have been times when the NHS was ranked very highly by international bodies and other times when it has not fared so well.

It has never been perfect, and everyone's views will be weighted according to problems they or their loved ones have had in dealing with it rather than a purely objective analysis.

What seems to be clear is that, whether based on personal anecdata or more substantial analysis, it has been getting worse in recent years at a time of austerity, and possibly by coincidence, depending on how important one thinks the governing party is in it all, at a time when that government has been the Tories.

I don't really care whether we are No.1 or not in the charts, I just want a system that is good enough to meet the health needs of a (still wealthy) country with an increasingly ageing population, and I don't believe anyone can say it is in recent years.

 

[winjim]

It's a totem. Two world wars, one world cup and the NHS.

 

[newfhouse]

It would appear that in 2022 UK did not even make the top 10

No shoot, Sherlock. Where did we rank in 2010?