The UK Union. Past its Best Before Date?

[All uphill]

As the future of the Union looks to be an open question what are your views?

Keep the marriage together, stay friends or recognise it was all a mistake?

For clarity I'd be happy to see the four nations develop their futures independently outside the Union.

 

[Bromptonaut]

A United Ireland where the six counties are absorbed into the Republic is politically difficult but economically relatively straightforward.

A mandate for independent Scotland may be politically straightforward but economically very difficult indeed.

 

[cookiemonster]

Yes, it's well past its sell by date.

The Union did its part well at one point but now, it's brain dead and on life support. It's not going to take much to switch that life support off.

You have to realise that the SNP gov has been in power in Scotland for 15 years and they're still winning national and local election well, by large margins in some areas. That should tell you the direction of travel.

All caused by the Conservative and Unionist Party.

 

[cookiemonster]

A United Ireland where the six counties are absorbed into the Republic is politically difficult but economically relatively straightforward.

A mandate for independent Scotland may be politically straightforward but economically very difficult indeed.

Why economically difficult? Difficult for whom?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

If Scotland gain independence, which is probably a good idea at this point, and reapplies to join the EU, after the qualifying period how will the border work?

 

[newfhouse]

I'm happy for the constituent parts to go their own ways if that's the choice they make.

I'm not sure there is yet sufficient support for an independent Wales.

I worry that Scotland will have to negotiate with an England that has recently demonstrated a bad faith approach when dealing with other countries.

The North of Ireland should be better protected if it joins the Republic since it will immediately regain all the benefits of EU membership.

 

[cookiemonster]

If Scotland gain independence, which is probably a good idea at this point, and reapplies to join the EU, after the qualifying period how will the border work?

I think if England are still out of the EU/EEA, I believe it'll be a hard border as England will be a third country.

 

[All uphill]

If Scotland gain independence, which is probably a good idea at this point, and reapplies to join the EU, after the qualifying period how will the border work?

Better than the GB/NI border currently does, hopefully!

There will be lots of stuff to unpick and sort out; so long as there are competent governments acting in good faith I'm sure it can all be resolved. Not much to ask!

 

[Xipe Totec]

If Scotland gain independence, which is probably a good idea at this point, and reapplies to join the EU, after the qualifying period how will the border work?

As I understand it, an independent Scotland would not insist on a hard border. So the nature of that border would be down to rUK.

What you might find interesting is that during the 2014 referendum, a hard border was part of the scare tactics used by Unionist Project Fear campaigners - as was the threat of an independent Scotland being forced out of the EU.

Funnily enough, the prospect of a hard border isn't seen as that much of a threat any more.

 

[Cirrus]

As I understand it, an independent Scotland would not insist on a hard border. So the nature of that border would be down to rUK.

What you might find interesting is that during the 2014 referendum, a hard border was part of the scare tactics used by Unionist Project Fear campaigners - as was the threat of an independent Scotland being forced out of the EU.

Funnily enough, the prospect of a hard border isn't seen as that much of a threat any more.

I was under the impression that if Scotland became independent and then joined the EU there must be a hard border? But It may be less clear cut if they didn’t join the EU?

The brief bit of Googling I did seems to indicate that at any rate.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Borders......🙄

View: https://twitter.com/GerryAdamsSF/status/1522933517512056832?t=go6FsgJXZOp6p9UcEWMWlQ&s=19

 

[AuroraSaab]

It might have 1.6k likes but this is surely Gerry Adams' best Twitter moment:

 

[Fab Foodie]

If Engerlund, Jockland, Taffyland and Ulstershires can't get on, no surprise then that we left the Europeeing Union with the Frogs, Krauts, Pastanoshers and all.....

 

[All uphill]

So NACA recommends a United Ireland ( in the EU), an independent Scotland in the EU, all subject to a mandate from those nations populations.

What about Wales?

 

[newfhouse]

What about Wales?

There doesn't seem to be the same appetite for independence from England. Perhaps a loose Celtic Federation within the EU would be an attractive option to some.