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Pale Rider
Veteran
I was referring to the criticism.
But the judges' decision in this case was an opinion based on their interpretation of a complex area of the law.
Most people would agree they are best qualified to make that interpretation, which is why we ask them to do it.
But that does not mean the resulting decision should not be the subject of criticism.
People can make up their own minds, three red judges say one thing, jonny loony brexiteer says otherwise.
I can't recall the ins and outs of this one, but experience tells me judges very rarely cock up badly.
monkers
Legendary Member
Personally I would never resort to lies, even in criticism of something I find objectionable. I wouldn't let that change me in order to become a journalist.
Honesty in all its manifestations, instead of being de rigueur is too often treated with contempt. You might think me too old-fashioned, but that's the way it is for me.
monkers
Legendary Member
Nobody said that shouldn't be the case. What I said is that they lied. What is the problem with being truthful? I think I already know the philosophical answer, can't wait to hear your version.
Pale Rider
Veteran
Criticism is not about truth or lies, it's about an honestly held opinion.
If I say Jonny Footballer played rubbish for Spurs, and the fan next to me says he played OK or well, neither of us are lying.
monkers
Legendary Member
My word, is that to pass as a cogent argument? A comparison between a unanimous decision of the High Court with a subjective and probably biased amateur opinion on a football player, is a cogent argument? Try harder.
Pale Rider
Veteran
Of course it is, not all criticism concerns momentous matters of state.
As I said, it's up to the reader to assess who is likely to have the correct opinion, based on their knowledge of the question (if any) and their reading of those making the criticism.
Again as I said, in the case of the judges, I expect most people would concede they have limited knowledge of the question itself, but would conclude the judges are far more likely to have come to the correct conclusion, rather than some extremist Brexiteer.
monkers
Legendary Member
I believe you know better.
Pale Rider
Veteran
I believe I don't, but it's not the first time I've been accused of knowing more than I do.
I recall questioning an MP.
His first words were: "I know what you are going to do with this."
Mmm, I thought, I don't bloody well know until you have given me an answer.
He was obviously far cleverer than me.
monkers
Legendary Member
Very well, then I will amend to 'I'd hope you'd know better'.
Pale Rider
Veteran
OK, but I still don't know what it is I'm supposed to know better.
But that's all part of the fun and frisk of attempting to occupy the intellectual high ground.
monkers
Legendary Member
It's more a presumption on my part that people are familiar with the professional standards that go with their industry, especially after thirty years at it.
I know there are disputes between journalists concerning standards, I've read them. I know there are old school and contemporary views.
I guess that a belief in standards is past its self buy date, when journalistic standards are as poor as we see today, andy are defended as essential due to commercial pressures (interests of shareholders and billionaire owners).
Opinions can and will vary, but will ultimately become boring for others to have to hear or read.
Bromptonaut
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The BBC have now published a timeline:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/bbc-statement
TLDR version is that parents made a complaint to a local BBC office in May but for reasons that look at worst like a cock up attempts to follow up with the complainant parents failed. The allegations were significantly different to, and probably less serious than, those in the frame now.
The Sun reported it last week, with significantly more information than in the May complaint. There was then enough to go on for a proper investigation with Senior Staff etc involved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/2023/bbc-statement
TLDR version is that parents made a complaint to a local BBC office in May but for reasons that look at worst like a cock up attempts to follow up with the complainant parents failed. The allegations were significantly different to, and probably less serious than, those in the frame now.
The Sun reported it last week, with significantly more information than in the May complaint. There was then enough to go on for a proper investigation with Senior Staff etc involved.
