War with Russia

[Pblakeney]

Mixed signals.
"Belarus frees political prisoners in exchange for easing of US sanctions."

Why is this relevant?
Some of the drones sent into Poland came from Belarus.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I heard that the main objective of the drones was to find out where the holes in the defences are.
That some got so far into Poland would indicate that it was a successful operation with that in mind.

Or that it enabled Poland and NATO to see what was needed to plug those gaps. Better for that to be done with unarmed drones than armed ones.

 

[Pblakeney]

Or that it enabled Poland and NATO to see what was needed to plug those gaps. Better for that to be done with unarmed drones than armed ones.

True. The unfortunate aspect of plugging these holes is that Poland/NATO is using £multi-million missiles to shoot down £10k drones.
A good business day for Donald though.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nat...not-the-way-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-2025-9?op=1

 

[Rusty Nails]

True. The unfortunate aspect of plugging these holes is that Poland/NATO is using £multi-million missiles to shoot down £10k drones.
A good business day for Donald though.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nat...not-the-way-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-2025-9?op=1

As Russia is also having to do with drone attacks by Ukraine.

 

[Pblakeney]

As Russia is also having to do with drone attacks by Ukraine.

Not necessarily.
As Zelensky says in the report, there are more cost effective solutions.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

True. The unfortunate aspect of plugging these holes is that Poland/NATO is using £multi-million missiles to shoot down £10k drones.
A good business day for Donald though.
https://www.businessinsider.com/nat...not-the-way-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-2025-9?op=1

Yes but the uk has supplied (and continues to supply them) with modified i think it where mig rockets or something either way it are rockets ukraine has plenty off and the uk made a truck launchable version of it. But the question of price of ammo vs effectuality is indeed getting more and more important in the future.

As Russia is also having to do with drone attacks by Ukraine.

Paper value, the Patriot and all other western supplied air defenses have proven their effectability if they fail to intercept it's either because they run out of ammo or capacity or the operator misjudged their trajectory.
Russian air defence however used to be held up to the same standard or even better then the Patriot because Russia's made up specs made it sounds so much better, meanwhile a less than 10k it's swarm of Ukrainian drones managed to overrun it by simply hitting the radar verhicle.
Which has already lead to lots of countries cancelling their orders for Russian weaponry.edited clarification on that last sentence i mean underwhelming performance of Russian made weaponry in general.

 

[Pinno718]

i mean underwhelming performance of Russian made weaponry in general.

So, should I buy the T52 tank or the Yugo Zastava?

 

[Pinno718]

Kirishi oil refinery... boom!

 

[Bazzer]

Ukraine also hit the Nova Ufa refinery 1400 (!) kms from Ukraine.

 

[Pinno718]

Is it me or do the Ukrainians seem to hit Russian targets at the weekend?

 

[Bazzer]

I hadn't noticed that pattern. It felt to me to be 2-3 days of military, (radar & missiles in particular, presumably so Ukraine can deploy its aircraft more effectively), followed by 2-3 days attacking oil supplies. For example Tuesday/Wednesday the spy ship was hit and the space command centre was hit for the second time, along with some other radar installations. Then Ukraine turned its attention to the oil loading port in the Baltic Sea and the refineries.
But then maybe that is just my recent memory?

 

[Pinno718]

I hadn't noticed that pattern. It felt to me to be 2-3 days of military, (radar & missiles in particular, presumably so Ukraine can deploy its aircraft more effectively), followed by 2-3 days attacking oil supplies. For example Tuesday/Wednesday the spy ship was hit and the space command centre was hit for the second time, along with some other radar installations. Then Ukraine turned its attention to the oil loading port in the Baltic Sea and the refineries.
But then maybe that is just my recent memory?

Yes, that £45m ship was quite the scalp.

 

[Bazzer]

It looks like Ukraine's efforts to blind Russian forces are having an effect.
This report refers to Russia trying to buy back from Turkey an S-400 air defence system it originally sold for $2.5bn in 2019 and delaying the delivery of S-400 systems to other countries.

 

[Pinno718]

Good find Bazzer. I wonder if there will be any response from other NATO members. If Turkey is entertaining this, it's contravention.

 

[Bazzer]

Report of Ukraine military intelligence sriking a unit connected with attrocities, in the unit's military compound.

- Near Vladivostok 5000 miles from Kyiv.

That's further than Dar Es Salaam is from my house.