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Pinno718

Senior Member
Ust-Luga port hit:

Bloomberg

Ukraine Claims Drone Strike on Russian Ust-Luga Gas Facility​


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...k-fuel-terminal-at-ust-luga-port-catches-fire
 

Pinno718

Senior Member
Flamingo FP-5 cruise missile: launched from a simple ramp, range of 3000km's, payload 1000kg's.
Accuracy +/- 14m (meters) now in the hands of the Ukrainians. 9 months to develop. Way ahead of decrepit Russian technology.
Current production is 1 per day. Plans to build 200 per month by October. It's not sure how much efficacy there is in the production numbers but it is a potential game changer.

One thought: at what point (if there is) does the continued destruction of gas and oil plants affect Europe's energy needs?
 
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Flamingo FP-5 cruise missile: launched from a simple ramp, range of 3000km's, payload 1000kg's.
Accuracy +/- 14m (meters) now in the hands of the Ukrainians. 9 months to develop. Way ahead of decrepit Russian technology.
Current production is 1 per day. Plans to build 200 per month by October. It's not sure how much efficacy there is in the production numbers but it is a potential game changer.

One thought: at what point (if there is) does the continued destruction of gas and oil plants affect Europe's energy needs?
200 per october if they can make 50% of that claim work it would change the war drastically because they can not only disrupt but destroy Russia's logistics, not to mention that kerch bridge.
Last time Russians where in that position they had to retreat(cherson for example)
 

Psamathe

Veteran
200 per october if they can make 50% of that claim work it would change the war drastically because they can not only disrupt but destroy Russia's logistics, not to mention that kerch bridge.
How widely reported are these attacks reported in Russia? Even if press is gagged and can't report, an oil refinery bursting into flames is rather obvious and one would expect word to get around.
 

C R

Guru
How widely reported are these attacks reported in Russia? Even if press is gagged and can't report, an oil refinery bursting into flames is rather obvious and one would expect word to get around.

There was a story recently of people being arrested for sharing images of a refinery fire after a Ukrainian drone attack, so probably word goes round slowly, if at all.
 

Pinno718

Senior Member
There was a story recently of people being arrested for sharing images of a refinery fire after a Ukrainian drone attack, so probably word goes round slowly, if at all.

I cannot see them gagging every text and mobile phone call in Russia and they can't stop people talking quietly.

Anyhoo, ITV covered Ukraine's anniversary and the drone attack that day.
 

Psamathe

Veteran
I cannot see them gagging every text and mobile phone call in Russia and they can't stop people talking quietly.

Anyhoo, ITV covered Ukraine's anniversary and the drone attack that day.
Thinking/guessing: also with the numbers of Russian fatalities a lot of people will know families who have lost children, partners, parents, etc.

Add serious injuries where injured person cannot return to the war and maybe you have more telling of what's happening. That said, maybe injured will get pensions so might say nothing not wanting to jeopardise that income. But people walking around on crutches, missing limbs, etc. might highlight to others there is a war happening impacting Russian people.
 

Bazzer

Senior Member
How widely reported are these attacks reported in Russia? Even if press is gagged and can't report, an oil refinery bursting into flames is rather obvious and one would expect word to get around.
The standard response from mayors/local officials is;
There was an attack from Ukraine. All drones and missiles were shot down, but some small fires have been caused by falling debris.
Russians will have noticed there is a problem, even if the size of the country means the general population does not connect all of the dots. Not only because the same excuse gets wheeled out every time, even when the same refinery gets hits repeatedly, but there are videos online of really long queues at some fuel stations.
 
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