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Psamathe

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Ukraine Says UK Storm Shadow Missiles Hit Key Russian Refinery​


https://www.kyivpost.com/post/66955
My difficulty is that whilst I'd love to believe Ukraine is achieving, one aspect I am certain of is that just like Russia, Ukraine is also running a PR campaign to help support morale of Ukrainian population. So it becomes impossible to form a view I can have any confidence in. And Ukrainian press is maybe subject to skewed reporting to some extent I can't appreciate just as Russian press is undoubtedly not presenting an accurate balanced picture.
 

Pinno718

Veteran
My difficulty is that whilst I'd love to believe Ukraine is achieving, one aspect I am certain of is that just like Russia, Ukraine is also running a PR campaign to help support morale of Ukrainian population. So it becomes impossible to form a view I can have any confidence in. And Ukrainian press is maybe subject to skewed reporting to some extent I can't appreciate just as Russian press is undoubtedly not presenting an accurate balanced picture.

Video footage of the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery strike I tend not to post unsourced material.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...-with-british-missiles-officials-say-13487355

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...l-refinery-with-british-storm-shadow-missiles


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouiJfht8ci8
 
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Psamathe

Guru
My difficulty is that whilst I'd love to believe Ukraine is achieving, one aspect I am certain of is that just like Russia, Ukraine is also running a PR campaign to help support morale of Ukrainian population. So it becomes impossible to form a view I can have any confidence in. And Ukrainian press is maybe subject to skewed reporting to some extent I can't appreciate just as Russian press is undoubtedly not presenting an accurate balanced picture.
Video footage of the Novoshakhtinsk oil refinery strike I tend not to post unsourced material.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouiJfht8ci8

I wasn't trying to suggest they are reporting fictions nor untruths, but we don't get the balance as to how much damage Russia has inflicted on Ukraine eg if Russia is destroying 10 Ukrainian oil refineries for every 1 Russian one destroyed by Ukraine then news doesn't seem as good.

But it's much more complex as one has to balance impact of destroying a Russian eg warship vs a Ukrainian power station ... And maybe the economic cost is less important than the impact on the moral and perceptions of the population and even that is not a comparable balance as the Ukrainian population has a far far say in Ukraine's strategic decisions than the Russian population's influence on Putin's decision making.
 
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