War with Russia

[briantrumpet]

I think Zelensky can only take that stance because Russia is not succeeding.

Indeed so, even if the cost to Ukraine remains huge. The cost of folding would be infinitely higher.

 

[BoldonLad]

I think Zelensky can only take that stance because Russia is not succeeding.

Watching BBC National News, yesterday, there was a report on a meeting between Putin and various Senior Military Personnel. For the first time, I thought Putin looked stressed and uncomfortable. Maybe the situation is getting to him?

 

[Psamathe]

To me even if this attack on one of Putin's residences is even true, so what. The countries are at war and Putin started it. On TV C4 News some expert saying it's some sort of convention you don't go after the other side's leader - why not? So Putin sends hundreds of thousands to their deaths over some historical legacy he's contrived in his mind and yet he stays miles from the front, miles from and personal danger and considers himself exempt from any risk. To me that's just extreme cowardice.

And does anybody really believe Putin hasn't directed and tried to eliminate Zelensky?

 

[briantrumpet]

To me even if this attack on one of Putin's residences is even true, so what. The countries are at war and Putin started it. On TV C4 News some expert saying it's some sort of convention you don't go after the other side's leader - why not? So Putin sends hundreds of thousands to their deaths over some historical legacy he's contrived in his mind and yet he stays miles from the front, miles from and personal danger and considers himself exempt from any risk. To me that's just extreme cowardice.

And does anybody really believe Putin hasn't directed and tried to eliminate Zelensky?

None of it rings true anyway, not least as I suspect that Zelenskyy wouldn't want to increase the size of the target on his own back.

 

[Pinno718]

To me even if this attack on one of Putin's residences is even true, so what. The countries are at war and Putin started it. On TV C4 News some expert saying it's some sort of convention you don't go after the other side's leader - why not? So Putin sends hundreds of thousands to their deaths over some historical legacy he's contrived in his mind and yet he stays miles from the front, miles from and personal danger and considers himself exempt from any risk. To me that's just extreme cowardice.

And does anybody really believe Putin hasn't directed and tried to eliminate Zelensky?

They have tried multiple times to assassinate Zelensky.

It's all Russian propaganda to justify their actions, derail the peace talks and (apparently), Donnie was -'shocked' at the suggestion that Putin was targeted when they had their phone call. Nothing like (unverified) info hey Donnie? They are playing him like the fool he is.

 

[Pblakeney]

To me even if this attack on one of Putin's residences is even true, so what. The countries are at war and Putin started it. On TV C4 News some expert saying it's some sort of convention you don't go after the other side's leader - why not? So Putin sends hundreds of thousands to their deaths over some historical legacy he's contrived in his mind and yet he stays miles from the front, miles from and personal danger and considers himself exempt from any risk. To me that's just extreme cowardice.

And does anybody really believe Putin hasn't directed and tried to eliminate Zelensky?

Someone did suggest the leaders fighting it out earlier.
Not sure how Russia/Ukraine would pan out but it would put and end to Donnie's advances on Greenland, Canada, Panama, Venezuela...

 

[briantrumpet]

Not sure how Russia/Ukraine would pan out but it would put and end to Donnie's advances on Greenland, Canada, Panama, Venezuela...

Perhaps Trump is aiming to invade as many countries as wars he claims to have ended.

 

[Pblakeney]

Perhaps Trump is aiming to invade as many countries as wars he claims to have ended.

He'll be as successful on one side as he is the other.

 

[Pross]

To me even if this attack on one of Putin's residences is even true, so what. The countries are at war and Putin started it. On TV C4 News some expert saying it's some sort of convention you don't go after the other side's leader - why not? So Putin sends hundreds of thousands to their deaths over some historical legacy he's contrived in his mind and yet he stays miles from the front, miles from and personal danger and considers himself exempt from any risk. To me that's just extreme cowardice.

And does anybody really believe Putin hasn't directed and tried to eliminate Zelensky?

It always amazes me that they have the nerve to act affronted when Ukraine takes the war back to them. I guess it’s hard to portray everything going well when there are attacks deep inside the Motherland.

 

[Pinno718]

It always amazes me that they have the nerve to act affronted when Ukraine takes the war back to them. I guess it’s hard to portray everything going well when there are attacks deep inside the Motherland.

There is no evidence that that Ukraine targeted Putin's residence. There's no satellite verification either..
Ukraine avoids civilian targets (unlike the Russians) and have avoided trying to assassinate Putin.
I think there are a few reasons for this.
a) Trying to assassinate a person in power is against the Geneva convention
b) Hitting civilian targets is the same.
c) Striking civilian targets is pointless; it would only propel Russian propaganda and the coalition of the willing may not be so sympathetic so again, strategically, it serves Ukraine better.

The long term is a deep bitterness towards Russian authority in Ukraine. When the fog of war lifts one day, maybe the Russian people will be reminded of this and Ukrainian policy.

 

[Pinno718]

Anyhoo, 600,000 people without power in Moscow after drone strikes.
It's winter.

 

[Pross]

Anyhoo, 600,000 people without power in Moscow after drone strikes.
It's winter.

At what point are things counted as targeting civilians? As far as I’m concerned this is bought on the population by their Government’s action but considering being without power in a Russian winter could prove fatal. It feels like a fine line from your statement that Ukraine don’t target civilians in the previous post to this post.

 

[Psamathe]

At what point are things counted as targeting civilians?

When Russia missiles & drones keep hitting residential blocks of flats they are either targeting civilians or their weaponry is such rubbish that they should not be using it due to the apparent almost certainty of it running astray into civilian areas.

 

[Pross]

When Russia missiles & drones keep hitting residential blocks of flats they are either targeting civilians or their weaponry is such rubbish that they should not be using it due to the apparent almost certainty of it running astray into civilian areas.

I was questioning where the line was between targeting and not targeting though. Do you have to be directly trying to kill civilians for it to be classed as against the Geneva Convention or is destroying their power in the height of winter covered? I have no issue with it as the Russians are the aggressors and their population is culpable for the actions of their Government but there most be a fine line legally.