Would you recognise Angela Rayner?
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icowden
Squire
I did. The author makes a fundamental mistake.
What Keir starmer says throughout his interview is "we", not "I". He does not say that he personally was in the office all day. He refers to his team who were working out of that office. He will have been in and out of the office and toward the end of the evening it does not surprise me (given that this a was a few days before election) that he needed to go to the office for debriefing, prep for the next days activities, scheduling things, reviewing how campaigning is going, calling and speaking to members of his party standing for election etc.
It's highly unlikely that it would have been feasible to do all of this from his hotel room.
Much is made of £200 for curry by people who presumably have never been out for Curry. Last time we went out for one as an extended family of 9 people (3 of which were children) the bill came to more than £200. That isn't a lot of curry.
So the author of the tweet spends a lot of time debunking something that wasn't said.
The claim about the hotel seems to be true, but it is an irrelevance. The food was purchased for the team in the office. They are working as a team to try and win an election, not asking for Lord Ponsonby Toffnot to smuggle in a butler service. Most of the people working with Keir will not be staying in the Raddison Blu and will not have eaten. Anyone who has worked on a project running over a weekend appreciates when the bosses buy some food in to keep morale up.
He then goes back to failing to understand how much effort is needed to run a national campaign for election.
Perhaps if he got out of his armchair, put down the Robert Jordan, sold his Arsenal pass and got a proper job he might understand some of these things.
Craig the cyclist
Über Member
It spreads the blame, so he doesn't have to take personal responsibility.
Keir Starmer has said that it fed the people who were there, why would you not believe him?
So the true bit, you simply brush off as irrelevant.
It couldn't have been very high is he was tight with the food eh?
Now, what do you think him lying to us about who was there? Remember, it's not the event, it's the cover up that fucks people up.
Ian H
Legendary Member
This is what you might call a balanced view on the subject.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-keir-starmer-beergate-labour-local-elections
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-keir-starmer-beergate-labour-local-elections
icowden
Squire
Where did I say that I don't believe him. What I don't believe is the number of people who seem to think that £200 is a lot to spend on curry for a team of people.
Yes. Because it is irrelevant.
Again, you are inferring something that I didn't say.
He didn't. His office made a statement which he has since declared to be a mistake. Can you demonstrate that either Starmer or the Press Office knowingly told an untruth?
winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Indeed, and anyone criticising the publisher might want to check the byline.
lazybloke
Regular
If you accept the event is not a problem (as did the police) then you must realise it doesn't matter if Rayner was there.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a lie but a mistake seems as likely.
All in stark contrast to repeated parties going on elsewhere (at times of greater lockdown restriction), with deliberate concealment such as booze smuggled inside luggage.
Cover up? I don't vote for either party, but but from various goings on in recent years, Kier's lot are orders-of-magnitude more honest than Team Boris.
Rusty Nails
Country Member
The Mail called it a £200 curry and beer feast.
I wouldn't want an invitation to their Christmas staff party if that's what they call a feast.
winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
The Mail called it a £200 curry and beer feast.
I wouldn't want an invitation to their Christmas staff party if that's what they call a feast.
They want you to think that's the price per head. Remind me, how much did Johnson's ready meals cost?
winjim
Welcome yourself into the new modern crisis
Here we go, supplied at cost price.
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/22/butl...-food-into-downing-street-for-boris-14628328/
https://metro.co.uk/2021/05/22/butl...-food-into-downing-street-for-boris-14628328/
Craig the cyclist
Über Member
Ah yes, The Guardian, the only truly accepted reference source on here
Can you demonstrate that Boris Johnson did? No, but you can readily believe he did as opposed to readily believing Keir Starmer didn't.
It does because they lied. See above.
icowden
Squire
Yes. There is a detailed video record of Boris lying to Parliament repeatedly. This is also documented in Hansard. MPs approved the Privileges Committee launching an inquiry once the police have finished their own investigation into the gatherings - if you recall correctly Boris couldn't whip his MPs to support him in voting against it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61177313
Just to keep you in the loop, I suggest you watch this:
View: https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1514486602017513472?s=20&t=GQV1eIA9B6box0SHNtLZBw
It will fill you in on just what a venal self-serving scumbag Johnson is.
Rusty Nails
Country Member
Ah yes, The Guardian, the only truly accepted reference source on here
I take it you did not follow @winjim's advice. Forget that, on reflection it is clear you did not. The Spectator is not known for its Labour supporting views.
icowden
Squire
Craig only reads the bits that he likes.
