Yet more Tory sleaze….

[mudsticks]

Ignorance signalling?

Seems rather popular, in some quarters right now

 

[Rusty Nails]

the thread is tory sleaze....nothing about liz truss or brexit. But the usual clan have turned into yet another brexit thread, because theres not enough of them already

Maybe the secret NACA mods should merge them together, but then that would mean realising theres not many threads on here and maybe no reason for shaun to spend the money keeping it going. Just a total waste of server space

This thread is about Tory sleaze.

Liz Truss is a Tory, who wants to lead the party.

Liz Truss has made an about face on Brexit, imo because it helps further her career, not out of any nobler or practical considerations. This is another example of sleaze, right at the top of the Tory party.

The thread cannot possibly be a No Brexit zone because of the amount of sleaze involved in that campaign, a lot of it involving Tories, and the fact that Tories (and others) still try to weaponise Brexit to split the country.

The very nature of political threads mean that the content of some threads will frequently overlap with others, and that most people's brains, even my one cell brain, are able to cope perfectly adequately.

I am sure Shaun is intelligent enough to know, as a former subset of the main forum, this forum was never going to be as big as CC, and took that into account when he made the decision. I doubt whether server space for a relatively small forum is that much of an issue.

 

[jowwy]

This thread is about Tory sleaze.

Liz Truss is a Tory, who wants to lead the party.

Liz Truss has made an about face on Brexit, imo because it helps further her career, not out of any nobler or practical considerations. This is another example of sleaze, right at the top of the Tory party.

The thread cannot possibly be a No Brexit zone because of the amount of sleaze involved in that campaign, a lot of it involving Tories, and the fact that Tories (and others) still try to weaponise Brexit to split the country.

The very nature of political threads mean that the content of some threads will frequently overlap with others, and that most people's brains, even my one cell brain, are able to cope perfectly adequately.

I am sure Shaun is intelligent enough to know, as a former subset of the main forum, this forum was never going to be as big as CC, and took that into account when he made the decision. I doubt whether server space for a relatively small forum is that much of an issue.

yeh bit then you got a truss thread, dorries thread, boris thread, nasty party thread.....i mean come on thats four threads that could just got into the nasty party thread and include this tory sleaze thread too

so that would be 5 sperate threads that just wouldnt be required, i see no point in them...ontop of that brexit entwined into them, as wells as multiple brexit threads....

why? come on rusty, even you can see that all these threads are not needed

 

[Rusty Nails]

Now i was accused yesterday of coming on here and throwing insults...so i thought i would highlight a few that was thrown around yesterday, even by people not involved in the conversation...........

This is a political forum , open to anyone to contribute, and not a series of conversations limited to individuals. We have a DM facility for that.

Using your, admittedly fallacious, argument, why did you jump in on a conversation you were not involved in about Liz Truss to accuse people of whinging?

Do you have a view about whether Truss's change of heart about Brexit is genuine or a convenient symptom of her desire to be seen as a good leader by the jingoistic folk of the Tory shires?

 

[mudsticks]

This thread is about Tory sleaze.

Liz Truss is a Tory, who wants to lead the party.

Liz Truss has made an about face on Brexit, imo because it helps further her career, not out of any nobler or practical considerations. This is another example of sleaze, right at the top of the Tory party.

The thread cannot possibly be a No Brexit zone because of the amount of sleaze involved in that campaign, a lot of it involving Tories, and the fact that Tories (and others) still try to weaponise Brexit to split the country.

The very nature of political threads mean that the content of some threads will frequently overlap with others, and that most people's brains, even my one cell brain, are able to cope perfectly adequately.

I am sure Shaun is intelligent enough to know, as a former subset of the main forum, this forum was never going to be as big as CC, and took that into account when he made the decision. I doubt whether server space for a relatively small forum is that much of an issue.

I don't quite see how we're supposed to talk about the shenanigans of the Tories and never mention brexit .

Given that promising to 'get brexit done' was the prime con trick / sleazy lie telling piece of corruption that got the Tories into power at the last election..

They're still the same Tories that made all these false promises.

Brexit is still not done, and is still taking a massive toll on this country, and will continue to do so well into the future, it will be mixed up in the goings on of whichever political party is in power.

As anyone who is paying even the slightest bit of attention, can easily see for themselves.

 

[jowwy]

This is a political forum , open to anyone to contribute, and not a series of conversations limited to individuals. We have a DM facility for that.

Using your, admittedly fallacious, argument, why did you jump in on a conversation you were not involved in about Liz Truss to accuse people of whinging?

Do you have a view about whether Truss's change of heart about Brexit is genuine or a convenient symptom of her desire to be seen as a good leader by the jingoistic folk of the Tory shires?

i believe she became a brexiteer long before she had the chance to become a leader.......but sunak wants to use that as a dagger to inflict wounds with, nothing new there.

I mean boris was a remainer and then nailed his colours to the mast, when he started to see that leaving was gaining popularity.

 

[Rusty Nails]

yeh bit then you got a truss thread, dorries thread, boris thread, nasty party thread.....i mean come on thats four threads that could just got into the nasty party thread and include this tory sleaze thread too

so that would be 5 sperate threads that just wouldnt be required, i see no point in them...ontop of that brexit entwined into them, as wells as multiple brexit threads....

why? come on rusty, even you can see that all these threads are not needed

Each of those people, especially Dorries, is worthy of a small thread, imo much better than lumping them into a bigger thread. I have no problems with thread drift or cross pollination.

Whether they are needed or not is a matter of opinion and not important. If members want them to exist that is justification enough.

 

[jowwy]

I don't quite see how we're supposed to talk about the shenanigans of the Tories and never mention brexit .

Given that promising to 'get brexit done' was the prime con trick / sleazy lie telling piece of corruption that got the Tories into power at the last election..

They're still the same Tories that made all these false promises.

Brexit is still not done, and is still taking a massive toll on this country, and will continue to do so well into the future, it will be mixed up in the goings on of whichever political party is in power.

As anyone who is paying even the slightest bit of attention, can easily see for themselves.

if you think that " getting brexit done" was the only thing that got them into power, then your sadly mistaken.

and Brexit is done, as far as leaving the EU is concerned, that is an absolute given.......the rest, will have to wait and see, it was never going to be a one or two year thing to get oursleves untwined from the EU policies and will take time.

 

[Rusty Nails]

i believe she became a brexiteer long before she had the chance to become a leader.......but sunak wants to use that as a dagger to inflict wounds with, nothing new there.

I mean boris was a remainer and then nailed his colours to the mast, when he started to see that leaving was gaining popularity.

Not before she had political ambitions of rising within the party.

 

[jowwy]

Not before she had political ambitions of rising within the party.

we dont know that for sure, just an assumption based on media sound bites........

 

[The Crofted Crest]

get oursleves untwined from the EU policies

From which specific policies would you like to get us untwined?

 

[mudsticks]

Each of those people, especially Dorries, is worthy of a small thread, imo much better than lumping them into a bigger thread. I have no problems with thread drift or cross pollination.

Whether they are needed or not is a matter of opinion and not important. If members want them to exist that is justification enough.

You crazy internet libertarian you ..

Did we 'take back control' or summat??

 

[All uphill]

Not before she had political ambitions of rising within the party.

I admire many things about you @Rusty Nails , persistence and patience are at the top of the list. I bet you are glad you unignored our friend!

 

[Rusty Nails]

we dont know that for sure, just an assumption based on media sound bites........

I didn't say ambitions to be leader, just to rise within the party.

Unless you know the politicians personally just about everything is based on what you see, hear and read about them, sound bites or more detailed items. Everything I have seen about her in the past five years indicates her political ambition, not that that is an issue, but the way her principles can be conveniently ditched is an issue. Johnson was also a Remainer who changed his mind when he saw how it would help his political ambitions, and look how that ended up.

Just to be non party partisan for a second, Starmer is also showing signs of the same tendency, but I am not sure whether that is because of personal ambition than ambition to see the party become electable. Everything is assumptions, that is why there are so many political differences and arguments.

 

[Rusty Nails]

if you think that " getting brexit done" was the only thing that got them into power, then your sadly mistaken.

and Brexit is done, as far as leaving the EU is concerned, that is an absolute given.......the rest, will have to wait and see, it was never going to be a one or two year thing to get oursleves untwined from the EU policies and will take time.

Brexit, combined with a very poor leader of the Labour Party and a dysfunctional party.