97yo convicted in Holocaust trial
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The Crofted Crest
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As an aside, the two architects who designed Auschwitz were Bauhaus graduates.
As an aside, the two architects who designed Auschwitz were Bauhaus graduates.
Beebo
Veteran
She grew up in an anti Nazi family who were passionate about their beliefs, so whilst her story is amazing, we can’t expect many people to follow her.
As CR said, the average citizen will just keep their head down and get on with it.
And no, I didn’t know they used the guillotine either. All three suspects were executed one after the other in the space of 5 minutes. You just can’t imagine that.
Fab Foodie
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Interesting, do you have a reference for a quick read-up? We're they aware of it's intended use?
The Crofted Crest
Active Member
Take a butcher's here. It's a bit of a stretch when you're designing gas chambers and crematoria to suggest you're not aware of their intended use.
I read about it in the Bauhaus museum, top floor of the Bauhaus house. Dessau was also home to Junkers and Heinkel bomber factories and the place where Zyklon was manufactured. Lots of wailing in the museum that the factories got bombed during the war.
I read about it in the Bauhaus museum, top floor of the Bauhaus house. Dessau was also home to Junkers and Heinkel bomber factories and the place where Zyklon was manufactured. Lots of wailing in the museum that the factories got bombed during the war.
C R
Über Member
I didn't quite articulate properly the social malaise that spread in Germany and allowed what happened to happen. This sort of banality of evil that reigned in Germany in the 20s, 30s and 40s. A good illustration of this is the book Friedrich, which tells the story of two boys growing up as friends. One of them, Friedrich, is Jewish, and the other boy, the narrator, who isn't. It is a difficult but illuminating read. It shows the descent into madness, but more terrifyingly, that there's nothing special about what happened, and that humans will somehow keep doing it.
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AuroraSaab
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Sophie Scholl and her White Rose movement were incredibly brave, genuinely heroic. As were the Hempels - leaving anti-Nazi postcards in phone boxes and around Berlin. Guillotined like the Scholls.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_and_Elise_Hampel
I suppose opposition was so ruthlessly crushed people were afraid to do anything other than passive resistance.
I read a couple of books by secretaries who worked for Hitler. Traudl June's book was the basis for the film Downfall. The other was by Christa Schroeder. Both pretty dull. The administration of an evil regime was surprisingly mundane. Both of them seemed to find Hitler fairly pleasant, to women anyway. He found time to have tea and cake with the secretaries most days. There was quite a bit of 'Well yes, I took the minutes and typed them up but I don't remember anything about the Jews'. It was clear though that you didn't have much of a choice about it all. Women could leave if they got married or feign family issues, but otherwise you went where you were told.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_and_Elise_Hampel
I suppose opposition was so ruthlessly crushed people were afraid to do anything other than passive resistance.
I read a couple of books by secretaries who worked for Hitler. Traudl June's book was the basis for the film Downfall. The other was by Christa Schroeder. Both pretty dull. The administration of an evil regime was surprisingly mundane. Both of them seemed to find Hitler fairly pleasant, to women anyway. He found time to have tea and cake with the secretaries most days. There was quite a bit of 'Well yes, I took the minutes and typed them up but I don't remember anything about the Jews'. It was clear though that you didn't have much of a choice about it all. Women could leave if they got married or feign family issues, but otherwise you went where you were told.
C R
Über Member
I am probably being antisemitic by the definition that says that criticism of Israel is antisemitic, but the way Palestinians in the occupied territories are treated bears some striking resemblance to the treatment of the peoples of the countries occupied by Germany.
albion
Guru
That is certainly part of the reason for the focus on Naxi Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(21st_century)
I still do not have fully authoritive info on the Uyghur genocide. I guess with China so bunkered down we might never know the fuller story.
Their Covid madness tells you anything can happen without democracy or accountability.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(21st_century)
I still do not have fully authoritive info on the Uyghur genocide. I guess with China so bunkered down we might never know the fuller story.
Their Covid madness tells you anything can happen without democracy or accountability.
AuroraSaab
Legendary Member
Most atrocities go hidden. I suppose it was only the opening up of Germany by the Allied forces that brought stuff into the open more quickly. The Internet makes it harder to suppress these things nowadays but probably wasn't that difficult years ago when you vouldxeadily keep out foreign journalists and suppress newspapers. Not just war stuff either. Look how long it took for things like the Magdalena laundries to be fully exposed.
C R
Über Member
Reverse Godwin?
C R
Über Member
The plight of the Jewish people in Germany was well known in Europe and the US by the mid thirties. It is to the shame of many countries, including the UK, that severe limits on the numbers of German Jewish refugees accepted were imposed. Many lives could have been saved if those limits didn't exist. It is true that the extent of the extermination efforts may not have been known by the general public in the UK and the US until the liberation of the camps, but it would have been known by the governments.
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