Big brother Tesla

[albion]

Musk gradually lulls you into a false sense of security. Then it is the roll of the dice to see if you get six sixes. Or just maybe five out of the 6.

 

[Fab Foodie]

If that stays current it will kill the leckky car market. My neighbour has just got a Tesla - will try find out what he's paying insurance-wise compared to his VW T-Cross when I next see him.

But yes, insurance has risen dramatically. Cars are complex and varied so repair is expensive.
My VW Transporter is a base vehicle with the basic black matt-plastic front grille/bumper assembly, but built within it there's a radar anti-crash sensor which is £2k alone to replace even though the bumper is the cheapest stock part....I bloody hope the sensor works!

What I've also learnt from the Transporter fraternity is that a very large number of people keep them running in very good nick over 200k miles. The basic running gear is strong and adaptable and mostly easy to fix for the average enthusiast. I can also foresee a change in ownership mentality of cars such that there will be a growing market of garages/specialists for more basic vehicles that exhibit decent longevity and are readily fixable. People will value longer car ownership and therefore reliability and fixability over bling, 0-60 times and other nonsense.
If the insurance industry reflected the fixability costs of vehicles/brands that might also shift ownership towards simple and reliable and lower premiums.

Update:
VW T-Cross £37/month
Tesla £135/month

 

[icowden]

Update:
VW T-Cross £37/month
Tesla £135/month

You are comparing apples with Cheese. You might as well give the comparative price between a cheap chromebook and a Microsoft Surface Book.

Obviously the T-Cross is going to be cheaper. It isn't a BEV. You are comparing prices for a 22k bog standard car against those for a £50k hi tech car with comparable speeds to a Lamborghini.

 

[Fab Foodie]

You are comparing apples with Cheese. You might as well give the comparative price between a cheap chromebook and a Microsoft Surface Book.

Obviously the T-Cross is going to be cheaper. It isn't a BEV. You are comparing prices for a 22k bog standard car against those for a £50k hi tech car with comparable speeds to a Lamborghini.

Steady the Buffs! I never said it was a fair comparison - just said I'd find out the difference in light of the graun article....

 

[albion]

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/...ding-design-flaw-in-battery-packs-198780.html
Reminds me of a certain phone maker.
Planned obscelescence, but this time multiply by 40.

Another one very similar. Same multiple too.
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/motoring/couple-hit-17k-tesla-bill-8834969
No Apple red dot here, just a big Tesla red flag. Might apply to most EVs. Proprietary extortion. Motto is to keep the car out of very damp pockets(of rain).
"John added: “If I had known the customer service would be so bad I’m not sure I would have bothered buying the car. I can only see the number of claims on problems like this going up." "

 

[albion]

I assume, possibly wrongly that it is this issue.
https://insideevs.com/news/670524/tesla-model-y-water-ingress-service-bulletin/

 

[Fab Foodie]

Another one very similar. Same multiple too.
https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/motoring/couple-hit-17k-tesla-bill-8834969
No Apple red dot here, just a big Tesla red flag. Might apply to most EVs. Proprietary extortion. Motto is to keep the car out of very damp pockets(of rain).
"John added: “If I had known the customer service would be so bad I’m not sure I would have bothered buying the car. I can only see the number of claims on problems like this going up." "

Wrong kind of water....
So they either drown or catch-fire?
Once again, if this proliferates it will only increase insurance burdens.

 

[albion]

From a cyclechat thread, it is not just Tesla which can have long term battery issues.
And I suggest Tesla cars are both more newsworthy and more common. The Y one though, is/was down to stupid design.

 

[Pale Rider]

if this proliferates it will only increase insurance burdens.

I posted a Guardian link on CC about insurance companies refusing to insure EVs, not just Teslas, due to ludicrous repair costs.

Strangely, none of the EV fanboys over there chose to comment.

 

[icowden]

I posted a Guardian link on CC about insurance companies refusing to insure EVs, not just Teslas, due to ludicrous repair costs.
Strangely, none of the EV fanboys over there chose to comment.

Maybe you posted it to the wrong thread? Or maybe there wasn't much to comment on?

The Guardian article was about some insurers refusing to insure EVs and the soaring costs of insurance. They seem to put it down to the insurers being slow to understand EVs and what the costs might be. John Lewis's underwriter in particular.

 

[Pale Rider]

Maybe you posted it to the wrong thread? Or maybe there wasn't much to comment on?

The Guardian article was about some insurers refusing to insure EVs and the soaring costs of insurance. They seem to put it down to the insurers being slow to understand EVs and what the costs might be. John Lewis's underwriter in particular.

Insurers declining your proposal to insure your EV, or declining to renew, is worrying both for owners and anyone thinking of buying an EV.

The position may, er, regularise in time, but having to pay two or three times as much for insurance over an ICE car will wipe out any notional fuel saving unless you do many miles.

Of course, if you are strongly motivated by environmental concerns and have lots of money, then no worries.

I'm going to assert neither applies to the vast majority of motorists.

 

[albion]

Are insurers recently reclassing EVs ? I noticed that the 3 is much in the very top insurance class

 

[Deleted member 159]

I posted a Guardian link on CC about insurance companies refusing to insure EVs, not just Teslas, due to ludicrous repair costs.

Strangely, none of the EV fanboys over there chose to comment.

Though my insurance has gone up, it's not by a great deal.

 

[icowden]

Insurers declining your proposal to insure your EV, or declining to renew, is worrying both for owners and anyone thinking of buying an EV.

I agree, but as the article states, there are plenty of insurers who will insure and for everyone whose premium seems to have gone up 4k, there are a lot of people who haven't had that issue, suggesting that it is issues with lack of NCB etc

I'm going to assert neither applies to the vast majority of motorists.

Whilst I agree with you on the loadsamoney front, I think more motorists may be looking at the environmental impact than you give credit for.

 

[albion]

https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/23/23928563/tesla-doj-ev-range-exaggerate-investigation

Hard to tell whether it is lower than stated battery capacity, hill usage for what is a very heavy car or Musks desire, as stated to keep showing a rosy picture.
( Apologies in advance for the very low quality of story linked.)