BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Given the context, I'm reasonably happy with the baby steps today: fücking fishing wasn't allowed to derail it, good news for young people (youth mobility and Erasmus), and at last public recognition from Starmer and Reeves that Brexit has cost a lot. And it's moving in a pragmatic direction. Restoring some trust between the UK and the EU is also positive, given the wreckers' agenda, which remains just that even now.

This is not to undermine fishing, I accept it is a risky job for little reward, but I agree, far more sectors employ far more people and contribute a lot more economically. I read earlier that there are more employed yoga instructors than fishermen. If true, that is sone stat!

 

[Stevo 666]

You missed the point.
We used to be rule makers with the EU until some monumental farkup happened.

What, the UK was in charge of making policy within the EU? Could have sworn that 20-odd other countries had a say, usually resulting in rules that weren't entirely suitable for the UK as they had to keep everyone happy to an extent. One good reason for leaving.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

As you can see I'm talking about the optics.

But country of origin is preferred, with France as a backstop. No idea about the people who have issues with EU food standards, but tbh ours seem to be fine.

It may well be about the optics, but the fact is that making it easier to return people disappeared with Brexit. Many people who voted to leave and were told this would allow greater immigraton controls were not told that in these particular circumstances, they were losing greater potential controls as EU countries have no obligation to co-operate with us.

 

[icowden]

No idea about the people who have issues with EU food standards, but tbh ours seem to be fine.

That's because they are EU food standards because we were in the EU and we haven't changed them in order to trade with the EU.
So we are following EU's rules without being able to set the rules used in the EU like we did before, because we aren't in the EU.

It's like before but worse.
This has been explained to Brexiteers multiple times but they are just too thick to understand.

 

[Stevo 666]

Given the context, I'm reasonably happy with the baby steps today: fücking fishing wasn't allowed to derail it, good news for young people (youth mobility and Erasmus), and at last public recognition from Starmer and Reeves that Brexit has cost a lot. And it's moving in a pragmatic direction. Restoring some trust between the UK and the EU is also positive, given the wreckers' agenda, which remains just that even now.

Sounds like you still harbour hopes of rejoining

View: https://youtu.be/tbU3zdAgiX8?si=v_ZG0gS_8PabnnKH

 

[Stevo 666]

It may well be about the optics, but the fact is that making it easier to return people disappeared with Brexit. Many people who voted to leave and were told this would allow greater immigraton controls were not told that in these particular circumstances, they were losing greater potential controls as EU countries have no obligation to co-operate with us.

How is this deal making it easier?

 

[Stevo 666]

That's because they are EU food standards because we were in the EU and we haven't changed them in order to trade with the EU.
So we are following EU's rules without being able to set the rules used in the EU like we did before, because we aren't in the EU.

It's like before but worse.
This has been explained to Brexiteers multiple times but they are just too thick to understand.

I'm well aware of what we inherited. Only a thicko would assume otherwise.

And we were free to change if we wanted. But going forward, we have to accept EU rules again. A lot of people won't like that.

 

[briantrumpet]

This is not to undermine fishing, I accept it is a risky job for little reward, but I agree, far more sectors employ far more people and contribute a lot more economically. I read earlier that there are more employed yoga instructors than fishermen. If true, that is sone stat!

It's been one of those totemic things that has been used as a battering ram (both ways), not least because of the 'Britannia Rulz Da Waves' mindset, going back beyond the 'cod wars' pre EU membership.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

How is this deal making it easier?

It's not, but that is not my point. You said we had no ability to return people under this new arrangement, but why would we? We lost that opportunity under Brexit, why would EU countries offer it up, there is no upside at all for them?

 

[AuroraSaab]

The number of failed asylum seekers transfered to other EU countries under the Dublin Agreement was pretty small, around 500 a year. It was balanced out by around the same number of EU asylum seekers being transferred here each year because they have relatives here already and as such can apply to have their claim heard in the UK.

 

[Stevo 666]

It's not, but that is not my point. You said we had no ability to return people under this new arrangement, but why would we? We lost that opportunity under Brexit, why would EU countries offer it up, there is no upside at all for them?

Your point wasn't clear before. Did Labour even try?

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Your point wasn't clear before. Did Labour even try?

Did the Conservative party try? The EU referendum was called by a Tory PM at the behest of his own Tory MP's. You then had successive Tory govts negotiating what Brexiters voted for and failing to deliver on immigration (amongst other things). On what planet should the onus be on Labour to now negotiate or deliver this?

 

[Stevo 666]

Did the Conservative party try? The EU referendum was called by a Tory PM at the behest of his own Tory MP's. You then had successive Tory govts negotiating what Brexiters voted for and failing to deliver on immigration (amongst other things). On what planet should the onus be on Labour to now negotiate or deliver this?

Give me a time machine and I'll go back and fix all of that. Now back to the current government...

 

[briantrumpet]

The bit about zero carbon future and the role of nuclear. From the same organisation you mentioned. Anyhow, its a bit tedious, right?

Interestingly...

 

[First Aspect]

Have we?

I see the lack of wiggle room for sensible politicians, and the perception that they are all as bad as each other, as a contributor to the rise of populism