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briantrumpet

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No, she wasn't laughing at herself. There was a genuine sounding guffaw from pretty much everyone else when she said it and Starmer just basically shot it back at her.

That's what I assumed. Not being able to recognise your mistakes and to be able to laugh at them can be a problem, though, to be fair, I can't imagine Thatcher often laughed at herself, and it didn't stop her being an impressive PM (whatever you think of her policies).
 

Ian H

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That's what I assumed. Not being able to recognise your mistakes and to be able to laugh at them can be a problem, though, to be fair, I can't imagine Thatcher often laughed at herself, and it didn't stop her being an impressive PM (whatever you think of her policies).

Perhaps the Tories need another Churchill.
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That's what I assumed. Not being able to recognise your mistakes and to be able to laugh at them can be a problem, though, to be fair, I can't imagine Thatcher often laughed at herself, and it didn't stop her being an impressive PM (whatever you think of her policies).
...Thatcher really did believe in monetarist theory. She hated inflation, which she saw as immoral and demoralising: savers must be rewarded for prudence, and governments shouldn’t be able to dodge the consequences of running up large amounts of debt by allowing the real value of that debt to be eroded. She was also convinced by Friedman’s claim that monetarism was a ‘scientific doctrine’ that offered a fail-safe way to curtail inflation – assuming there was the requisite ‘political will’. Thatcher wasn’t dissimulating when in 1980 she ridiculed the idea that she was following ‘some obscure economic religion which demands this unemployment as part of its ritual’: she believed Friedman’s hypothesis that controlling the money supply would bring down inflation with only a very small, temporary impact on unemployment. Unfortunately for her (and especially for the unemployed), this hypothesis proved not to be true.
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...Thatcher really did believe in monetarist theory. She hated inflation, which she saw as immoral and demoralising: savers must be rewarded for prudence, and governments shouldn’t be able to dodge the consequences of running up large amounts of debt by allowing the real value of that debt to be eroded. She was also convinced by Friedman’s claim that monetarism was a ‘scientific doctrine’ that offered a fail-safe way to curtail inflation – assuming there was the requisite ‘political will’. Thatcher wasn’t dissimulating when in 1980 she ridiculed the idea that she was following ‘some obscure economic religion which demands this unemployment as part of its ritual’: she believed Friedman’s hypothesis that controlling the money supply would bring down inflation with only a very small, temporary impact on unemployment. Unfortunately for her (and especially for the unemployed), this hypothesis proved not to be true.
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As I say, I'm not litigating her policies, but both her electoral and political grip for most of her tenure were impressive, often in the face of stiff opposition.

I'm guessing no-one ever had the temerity to point out to her why people sniggered at her stating that "ever PM needs a Willie".
 
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As was her friend Pinochet's.

I think there might have been some differences in the way the ways they rose to power and exercised it, though I'm no historian.

Augusto Pinochet rose through the ranks of the Chilean Army to become General Chief of Staff in early 1972 before being appointed its Commander-in-Chief on 23 August 1973 by President Salvador Allende.[7] On 11 September 1973, Pinochet seized power in Chile in a military coup, with the support of the United States,[9][10][11][C] that toppled Allende's democratically elected left-wing Unidad Popular government and ended civilian rule. In December 1974, the ruling military junta appointed Pinochet Supreme Head of the nation by joint decree, although without the support of one of the coup's instigators, Air Force General Gustavo Leigh.[12]

After his rise to power, Pinochet persecuted leftists, socialists, and political critics, resulting in the executions of 1,200 to 3,200 people,[13] the internment of as many as 80,000 people, and the torture of tens of thousands.[14][15][16] According to the Chilean government, the number of executions and forced disappearances was at least 3,095.[17] Operation Condor, a U.S.-supported terror operation focusing on South America, was founded at the behest of the Pinochet regime in late November 1975.
 

Ian H

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I think there might have been some differences in the way the ways they rose to power and exercised it, though I'm no historian.

It was their friendship I was thinking of, and what that said about Thatcher. A friend of mine, a retired diplomat, says Pinochet was the most unpleasant individual he'd ever shaken hands with.
 
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It was their friendship I was thinking of, and what that said about Thatcher. A friend of mine, a retired diplomat, says Pinochet was the most unpleasant individual he'd ever shaken hands with.

Indeed, it didn't exactly do her image any favours, and quite rightly so.
 
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Ian H

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This is akin to the Tory MP who got caught looking at porn in Parliament and claimed he was searching for tractors and accidentally clicked on hardcore porn.

Interestingly, this MP, Neil Parish, formerly my MP, was for most of his career a completely loyal Tory back-bencher. As soon as he got a position of influence and started criticising his government's policies on farming, his tractor-porn habit was exposed.
 

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Interestingly, this MP, Neil Parish, formerly my MP, was for most of his career a completely loyal Tory back-bencher. As soon as he got a position of influence and started criticising his government's policies on farming, his tractor-porn habit was exposed.

Simple question that I can't remember being asked at the time, who was looking over his shoulder?
 
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