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[briantrumpet]

If that is true, then I need a better explanation of what is happening rather than just being told it is silent. I can imagine a toddler falling in quietly. I can imagine a kid who can swim banging their head and knocking themselves out. I find it hard to imagine a decent swimmer suddenly drowning in a swimming pool.

I'll see if I can find you a better one.

 

[PurplePenguin]

This seems consistent with my expectations

Drowning causes​

Drowning doesn’t always look like you’d expect. Scenes of people thrashing in the water and screaming for help in the movies don’t typically happen. Instead, drowning usually occurs quickly and quietly. Most people drown within two minutes. Accidental drowning can affect anyone. The causes can vary based on age and other factors.

Infants often drown in bathtubs, sinks and bath seats. They can also drown in buckets, wells and decorative ponds. Babies can drown in as little as 1 to 2 inches of water. Most infant drowning deaths happen within five minutes of an adult taking their eyes off them.

Toddlers and children frequently drown in swimming pools. They may gain access to a pool when a gate has been left open, or there’s no fence at all. Even children who’ve taken swimming lessons may jump in and drown.

Adults tend to drown in natural bodies of water, like lakes, rivers and oceans. They may underestimate the danger or overestimate their ability to swim in these waters. Drowning may also occur after an injury, like diving in shallow water and hitting their heads.

 

[C R]

If that is true, then I need a better explanation of what is happening rather than just being told it is silent. I can imagine a toddler falling in quietly. I can imagine a kid who can swim banging their head and knocking themselves out. I find it hard to imagine a decent swimmer suddenly drowning in a swimming pool.

You can't shout under the water even if you're conscious, and you don't splash unless you can bring your arms over the surface of the water.

 

[icowden]

Worcester will be competing with Tehran in the temperatures league this week

I see your Worcester and raise you Walton on Thames

 

[Dorset Boy]

The UK record of 40.3 degrees must be in danger if these forecasted temperatures are correct.

 

[icowden]

The UK record of 40.3 degrees must be in danger if these forecasted temperatures are correct.

Red warning just issued

 

[briantrumpet]

This seems consistent with my expectations

Here's a handy graphic.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Here's a handy graphic.

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I still don't really get the point of the message. I think both of my kids have, at some point, jumped into a swimming pool expecting me to catch them, but completely mistimed it, so they end up in a mess, and yes it looks a bit like the graphic above. It's also not something they do twice. What I was surprised by was the idea that a competent swimmer was suddenly, and silently, drowning in a swimming pool, and a brief bit of research tells me that it is unlikely to happen.

Maybe there are parents who don't watch their kids in the water and just wait for a scream, and that's what the campaign is trying to prevent.

 

[briantrumpet]

I still don't really get the point of the message. I think both of my kids have, at some point, jumped into a swimming pool expecting me to catch them, but completely mistimed it, so they end up in a mess, and yes it looks a bit like the graphic above. It's also not something they do twice. What I was surprised by was the idea that a competent swimmer was suddenly, and silently, drowning in a swimming pool, and a brief bit of research tells me that it is unlikely to happen.

Maybe there are parents who don't watch their kids in the water and just wait for a scream, and that's what the campaign is trying to prevent.

Maybe you are missing the bit there that says 50% of children drown within sight of their parents. Clearly that's not you, if you are fully aware of all the risks and signs of drowning.

 

[AndyRM]

WTAF has this thread become?

Explaining drowning?

Quality stuff.

 

[Psamathe]

I'm no expert but used to Scuba dive back in the days where training was extensive. One of the tests we needed to pass was to lie in the swimming pool surface (facing up) and float, no moving arms or legs, just lie there floating for a few minutes (test required 1 minute but my club insisted on a lot longer). And not deliberate but even in the pool it was not "calm" water with others doing other training around you, jumping in, etc. And even for a lean male it's actually not too hard.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Maybe you are missing the bit there that says 50% of children drown within sight of their parents. Clearly that's not you, if you are fully aware of all the risks and signs of drowning.

I'm not missing it. An unsupervised toddler and a swimming pool is a very dangerous combination. I'm just trying to educate myself on whether there are other glaring risks that I'm missing.

 

[Pinno718]

[Warning: Long post alert]

I often go 'wild' swimming and myself and my two girls have jumped into rivers off bridges and things all over the place.
The first thing is to put your arm in the water - as deep as you can as often the surface can feel quite pleasant but just a foot down, it can be very cool. Second thing is to take as much local knowledge in as possible.
For example: There's a bridge near Featherstone in Northumberland on the Tyne. There is a point you need to find on the bridge and it's quite safe and deep. This point gives you a clear 7 feet wide channel to jump in safely. With no prior knowledge, one would assume the middle of the bridge over the middle part of the river would be the safest but it isn't - there's rocks either side of the channel about 4 feet down. I would also get in the water first before jumping at a shallow point to see if the temperature is tolerable - as you slowly go deeper, you'll know straight away if want to swim or jump in it - there's no sudden shock.
I think that as we have had a pretty cool spring, a few hot days tempts people into jumping into quarries and lakes/lochs but large bodies of water take a long time to warm up, sometimes weeks, sometimes never. Like Loch Ness (never warm, it's deep), Loch Tay (there's shallow end that's beautiful but beyond that there's shelf and it' freezing). So when I go back to Featherstone in July, I am not expecting warm water and I will take my wetsuit and I will not assume anything.
That wetsuit for me is key - I do not like extreme cold but I can swim 50m in cold water without issue. It is also extremely buoyant. Avoiding strong currents even when the water temp is perfect is no no: stones are slippery and it's easy to slip. I always wear some form of footwear in case of cuts or slipping.

My youngest doesn't wear a wetsuit, jumps off the bridge and doesn't bat an eyelid, cold or not - she has a different heating system to mine. My eldest daughter wears one and when she was a baby, we went to the local baby and toddler swim sessions (water temp turned up to 34deg c), she would have a maximum 10 mins or her lips would start to turn blue. So each individual is different. I also think that kids are not nearly as active these days nor do they swim as much.
Getting hot in the sun, skin warm then plunge into cold water... it's a helluva shock.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmmAq4m6hE8


The above proves it is about tolerances.

Go in gently and if it's too cold, forget it.

 

[First Aspect]

I recommend covering yourself in lard before wild swimming.

 

[briantrumpet]

I recommend covering yourself in lard before wild swimming.

I recommend covering someone else in lard before... hmm...