Bye Bye Democracy.

[jowwy]

When I have a holiday in England I'm going home. When I return to Germany I'm also going home. Make of that what you will!

different scenario, but top marks for trying....

 

[Deleted member 28]

How about you show me that they still have that card 2 years after they finish Uni?

As already pointed out they're not valid anyway so irrelevant.

 

[newfhouse]

It's really not appropriate to compare everything to the Holocaust.

Is it appropriate to suggest that the Holocaust had roots in far less extreme regulations? Nobody has said that voter ID is the equivalent of genocide.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Regulations that applied to one particular group and not to others, so yes equating national ID cards for everyone to the yellow stars worn by Jews to make them stand out from other Germans is a crass and insensitive comparison. Do you imagine the Over 60's bus pass is also some sort of precursor to an impending age defined genocide? Of course not.

It's a thoughtless and trite comparison and saying 'It's not the Holocaust, but this is how the Holocaust began...' doesn't make it any better.

 

[newfhouse]

equating national ID cards for everyone to the yellow stars worn by Jews to make them stand out from other Germans is a crass and insensitive comparison.

Do you actually know what information about you will be readable from the proposed card or held in the associated database? Will you be entitled to know or challenge the purpose or veracity of that data?

There’s far more to it than a plastic card. Imagine if mid 20th century fascists had computers rather than a card index and willing clerks.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Do you actually know what information about you will be readable from the proposed card or held in the associated database? Will you be entitled to know or challenge the purpose or veracity of that data?

There’s far more to it than a plastic card. Imagine if mid 20th century fascists had computers rather than a card index and willing clerks.

Get a driving licence then if you're that concerned or a passport?

 

[newfhouse]

Get a driving licence then if you're that concerned or a passport?

We’ve moved the discussion on from voter ID to the even more concerning compulsory national ID card.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Do you actually know what information about you will be readable from the proposed card or held in the associated database? Will you be entitled to know or challenge the purpose or veracity of that data?

There’s far more to it than a plastic card. Imagine if mid 20th century fascists had computers rather than a card index and willing clerks.

Get a voter ID card then, they are free from the council and will only have the detail that the council already hold on you.

 

[newfhouse]

Get a voter ID card then, they are free from the council and will only have the detail that the council already hold on you.

Apart from making me jump through another hoop in order to vote out the execrable and odious Chris Philp, what problem will be solved?

 

[Rusty Nails]

It's really not appropriate to compare everything to the Holocaust.

Godwin's Law is still alive and kicking...for some.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Apart from making me jump through another hoop in order to vote out the execrable and odious Chris Philp, what problem will be solved?

The problem of not having a valid voting acceptable ID. You rock up, collect it, go to vote then I guess you eat it so no-one can ever know who you are.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Do you actually know what information about you will be readable from the proposed card or held in the associated database? Will you be entitled to know or challenge the purpose or veracity of that data?

There’s far more to it than a plastic card. Imagine if mid 20th century fascists had computers rather than a card index and willing clerks.

Fascism and The Holocaust in one thread.

Godwin's Law is still alive and kicking...for some.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Do you actually know what information about you will be readable from the proposed card or held in the associated database? Will you be entitled to know or challenge the purpose or veracity of that data?

There’s far more to it than a plastic card. Imagine if mid 20th century fascists had computers rather than a card index and willing clerks.

No, I don't. Is the intention that the people forced to have the proposed card will only be those in a particular ethnic minority? If not, what information held is irrelevant in relation to comparing it to Jews having to wear yellow fabric stars.

The simile wasn't a general one of 'The government holding information is fascist', it was a specific one of 'this is like the Jews in 1930's Germany'. Totally inappropriate.

You could certainly have a discussion as to whether ID cards are authoritarian and whether recording certain information recording information is overstepping, though they seem to be used by left and right wing governments alike. But let's not demean the discussion by chucking in 'fascist' and 'just like 1930's Germany'.

 

[newfhouse]

Fascism and The Holocaust in one thread.

Yes, the country is definitely moving in that direction. I’m against it.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Apart from making me jump through another hoop in order to vote out the execrable and odious Chris Philp, what problem will be solved?

Haven't you got either a driving licence or passport then, if so you won't be needing to jump through any hoops.