Can the (Met) police ever change?

[glasgowcyclist]

With the information we know now, because of this acquittal and the judge ordering the further background of Kaba to be publicizes, i'm not sure i agree. Before Kaba was branded as a victim of police violence's who would never harm a fly, now we know he was quite the opposite a dangerous gang member. and that there is a £10.000 bounty on said officers head.

But i agree it's an slippery slope but i think in this time and age where it is so easy to get media attention and create a false narrative about someone there has to be a way for a judge to order the truth to be released like what happened during this acquittal.
But to be honest i don't know if charging the officer was really required for this background about the ''victim''/offender to be released.

An accused person’s previous behaviour or convictions are generally inadmissible as evidence, so that they may receive a fair trial. The jury must be allowed to focus on the factual evidence against the accused rather than be swayed by their reaction to the accused’s past record.

I feel that your post above demonstrates the need for the current position.

 

[C R]

An accused person’s previous behaviour or convictions are generally inadmissible as evidence, so that they may receive a fair trial. The jury must be allowed to focus on the factual evidence against the accused rather than be swayed by their reaction to the accused’s past record.

I feel that your post above demonstrates the need for the current position.

And I think the point that hasn't been made explicitly, but which probably weighs heavily on black people's perception. Would a white suspect under the same circumstances be dealt with in the same way. Bear in mind that at the time the officer that fired the shots didn't know any of those details about the suspect, they didn't even know who the driver was.

 

[Rusty Nails]

And I think the point that hasn't been made explicitly, but which probably weighs heavily on black people's perception. Would a white suspect under the same circumstances be dealt with in the same way. Bear in mind that at the time the officer that fired the shots didn't know any of those details about the suspect, they didn't even know who the driver was.

How can this be decided in this case when the police had information that this car had been involved in a shooting incident the previous day, and which was actively being driven into police vehicles endangering lives, without an exactly similar situation involving a white suspect to compare it with?

There is plenty of evidence to show that black people, especially in the Met area, are treated differently ( i.e. worse) in general, but when it comes to individual, very serious actions such as this, juries have to rely on the evidence available for the specific case.

Until the general situation improves, and is seen to improve, then it is understandable, but probably unavoidable that the perception of black people will be one of doubt and suspicion.

 

[C R]

Until the general situation improves, and is seen to improve, then it is understandable, but probably unavoidable that the perception of black people will be one of doubt and suspicion.

I take it you mean that black people's perception of the police is one of doubt and suspicion. Otherwise I agree with you.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Until the general situation improves, and is seen to improve, then it is understandable, but probably unavoidable that the perception of black people will be one of doubt and suspicion.

Unless they (black persons) start listening to Micheal Jackson and more importantly the song ''man in the mirror'' and take lessons from it it will never change, because if you look at the crime stats, yes a black person is more likely to be arrested then a white person, but the rate of those arrested being referred to the crown court is also much higher, so it's not just ''racist'' police officers, they are simply more represented in serious crime.

 

[Ian H]

Question: Is it even possible to have a corruption-free police force? There appears to be no evidence of any great success to date.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Unless they (black persons) start listening to Micheal Jackson and more importantly the song ''man in the mirror'' and take lessons from it it will never change, because if you look at the crime stats, yes a black person is more likely to be arrested then a white person, but the rate of those arrested being referred to the crown court is also much higher, so it's not just ''racist'' police officers, they are simply more represented in serious crime.

That simplistic presentation would suggest that black people are more disposed to committing crime than white people, which sounds rather dodgy terrotory to me. Not to mention the institutional racism present within the police that will see white suspects being treated differently to black suspects.

I think the biggest driver of crime is poverty and deprivation, and it is black and minority ethnic communities which are most affected by this.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Unless they (black persons) start listening to Micheal Jackson and more importantly the song ''man in the mirror'' and take lessons from it it will never change, because if you look at the crime stats, yes a black person is more likely to be arrested then a white person, but the rate of those arrested being referred to the crown court is also much higher, so it's not just ''racist'' police officers, they are simply more represented in serious crime.

They are also more likely to be the victim of serious crime than other groups (pro rata). There are plenty of black people on social media who are supportive of the police action in this case and very much despise the urban gang culture which affects them and their children far more than it does the rest of us.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

That simplistic presentation would suggest that black people are more disposed to committing crime than white people, which sounds rather dodgy terrotory to me.

No it's what the current figures show. figures don't account for reasons, made up reasons or accuses.

Not to mention the institutional racism present within the police that will see white suspects being treated differently to black suspects.

How do we measure that? and how about black against black racism? Or racism from black organizations so they can secure grants? All benefit from creating a bigger problem and enlarging whatever racism problem their might be.(and no i'm not denying there are racisms problems. )

I think the biggest driver of crime is poverty and deprivation, and it is black and minority ethnic communities which are most affected by this.

No can see it in other populations too, but the solution isn't claiming their poor and deprived, it's part of it sure but the thing that has happened now and is 100x worse in the US is that young black people have two career choices one is go to school and learn something and be something in the future and the other is be part of a gang and be something, be protected etc. it's not strange they feel attracted it offers instant rewards, whilst following the path of learning something has much more hiccups.(well the hiccup career criminals face often ends in death)
Add to that they these days also have a podium and it's not strange at all to see the appeal.
If poor and deprived would be the cause then their path in criminality would be the solution because criminals brag about their expensive cars lavish lifestyle etc. the problem is these criminals only can exist if the pyramid stays alive, and the pyramid only stays alive if it gets fresh recruits, which conveniently for them often is quite easy in a neighborhood with 80& black population. They feed on exploiting existing distrust, stories about not getting an fair chance etc. etc. as long as they are not called out for it but instead more often get a podium and let their family members cry crocodile tears in front of number 10, how about the families of all of his victims? (regardless of ethnicity but most likely mostly black) (and yes i don't believe his family didn't knew about his criminal background)

Needless to say it is still a very small portion of the black population but nonetheless a serious problem.

They are also more likely to be the victim of serious crime than other groups (pro rata). There are plenty of black people on social media who are supportive of the police action in this case and very much despise the urban gang culture which affects them and their children far more than it does the rest of us.

Agreed.