Can the (Met) police ever change?

[Beebo]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c17lk592ygdo

I don’t understand how the PPS thought a murder charge would stick.
If a country is going to have armed police then we have to accept that incidents like this will happen and the outcome will be less than satisfactory.
The only time I can see a jury convict a police officer they would have to be shooting someone who is clearly and categorically zero threat at the time.

 

[spen666]

I don’t understand how the PPS thought a murder charge would stick.
If a country is going to have armed police then we have to accept that incidents like this will happen and the outcome will be less than satisfactory.
The only time I can see a jury convict a police officer they would have to be shooting someone who is clearly and categorically zero threat at the time.

PPS?

 

[Beebo]

PPS?

Meant to be CPS

 

[spen666]

Meant to be CPS

I wondered, but wanted to be sure


To be fair to the CPS, the case got beyond "half time" so the judge thought there was a case to answer

 

[Bromptonaut]

The Kaba case may be a useful marker for the CPS to say that a jury will acquit in case on similar facts.

Having seen the evidence, albeit through the filter of the media, I thought acquittal the likely outcome.

 

[spen666]

The Kaba case may be a useful marker for the CPS to say that a jury will acquit in case on similar facts.

Having seen the evidence, albeit through the filter of the media, I thought acquittal the likely outcome.

There was sufficient evidence to get a case beyond half time ie on the prosecution version of events a jury properly directed could convict. That is what the Code for Crown Prosecutors requires of a charging decision.

Its not an easy concept for anyone to get their head around when considering whether a charge was rightly brought or not.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Reports now in public domain regarding Kabba's 'previous':

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ub-and-was-alleged-core-member-of-london-gang

 

[Beebo]

There was sufficient evidence to get a case beyond half time ie on the prosecution version of events a jury properly directed could convict. That is what the Code for Crown Prosecutors requires of a charging decision.

Its not an easy concept for anyone to get their head around when considering whether a charge was rightly brought or not.

James O’Brien made a compelling case this morning that the trial was the right thing to do, even though there was zero chance of a conviction. Just to show that no one is above the law.
I know the jury doesn’t see previous convictions, but no one will be shedding any tears today.

 

[Bromptonaut]

James O’Brien made a compelling case this morning that the trial was the right thing to do, even though there was zero chance of a conviction. Just to show that no one is above the law.
I know the jury doesn’t see previous convictions, but no one will be shedding any tears today.

I don't think that every police shooting where there is doubt should be prosecuted just to show no one above the law.

However there are any number of deaths at police hands where a failure to prosecute to full extent of the law is a scandal. From David Oluwale in the sixties it was nearly 50 years before anyone else went down over deaths in police hands.

If this case serves as a 'peg in the ground' over where prosecution will likely fail it will be useful.

 

[Bromptonaut]

There was sufficient evidence to get a case beyond half time ie on the prosecution version of events a jury properly directed could convict. That is what the Code for Crown Prosecutors requires of a charging decision.

Its not an easy concept for anyone to get their head around when considering whether a charge was rightly brought or not.

Was there actually a 'half time submission' to acquit?

 

[spen666]

Was there actually a 'half time submission' to acquit?

I'm not sure, but the Judge can kick it out at half time without a submission being made - although he should give both sides opportunity to make representations.

If there was no half time submission it suggests the defence accepted there was evidence upon which a reasonably directed jury could convict

 

[spen666]

James O’Brien made a compelling case this morning that the trial was the right thing to do, even though there was zero chance of a conviction. Just to show that no one is above the law.
I know the jury doesn’t see previous convictions, but no one will be shedding any tears today.

James O'Brien is 100% wrong in law. The Code for Crown Prosecutors requires the person making the charging decision to be satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to justify the realistic chance of a conviction.


Jame O'Brien also , if he said that, is expressing no thought for the person charged to have matters like this hanging over them for years even without a reasonable prospect of conviction.
It is not appropriate to put someone through this where there is no prospect of conviction. It is a slippery slope to go down. Why not charge all your political opponents with offences just before an election. No evidence of guilt, but it will make it very difficult for them to be elected

 

[Ian H]

James O’Brien made a compelling case this morning that the trial was the right thing to do, even though there was zero chance of a conviction. Just to show that no one is above the law.
I know the jury doesn’t see previous convictions, but no one will be shedding any tears today.

I'm not sure that would work if the trial is merely performative.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I'm not sure that would work if the trial is merely performative.

It wouldn’t but luckily with this trial it wasn’t.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

It is not appropriate to put someone through this where there is no prospect of conviction. It is a slippery slope to go down. Why not charge all your political opponents with offences just before an election. No evidence of guilt, but it will make it very difficult for them to be elected

With the information we know now, because of this acquittal and the judge ordering the further background of Kaba to be publicizes, i'm not sure i agree. Before Kaba was branded as a victim of police violence's who would never harm a fly, now we know he was quite the opposite a dangerous gang member. and that there is a £10.000 bounty on said officers head.

But i agree it's an slippery slope but i think in this time and age where it is so easy to get media attention and create a false narrative about someone there has to be a way for a judge to order the truth to be released like what happened during this acquittal.
But to be honest i don't know if charging the officer was really required for this background about the ''victim''/offender to be released.