Can the (Met) police ever change?

[glasgowcyclist]

With the information we know now, because of this acquittal and the judge ordering the further background of Kaba to be publicizes, i'm not sure i agree. Before Kaba was branded as a victim of police violence's who would never harm a fly, now we know he was quite the opposite a dangerous gang member. and that there is a £10.000 bounty on said officers head.

But i agree it's an slippery slope but i think in this time and age where it is so easy to get media attention and create a false narrative about someone there has to be a way for a judge to order the truth to be released like what happened during this acquittal.
But to be honest i don't know if charging the officer was really required for this background about the ''victim''/offender to be released.

An accused person’s previous behaviour or convictions are generally inadmissible as evidence, so that they may receive a fair trial. The jury must be allowed to focus on the factual evidence against the accused rather than be swayed by their reaction to the accused’s past record.

I feel that your post above demonstrates the need for the current position.

 

[C R]

An accused person’s previous behaviour or convictions are generally inadmissible as evidence, so that they may receive a fair trial. The jury must be allowed to focus on the factual evidence against the accused rather than be swayed by their reaction to the accused’s past record.

I feel that your post above demonstrates the need for the current position.

And I think the point that hasn't been made explicitly, but which probably weighs heavily on black people's perception. Would a white suspect under the same circumstances be dealt with in the same way. Bear in mind that at the time the officer that fired the shots didn't know any of those details about the suspect, they didn't even know who the driver was.

 

[Rusty Nails]

And I think the point that hasn't been made explicitly, but which probably weighs heavily on black people's perception. Would a white suspect under the same circumstances be dealt with in the same way. Bear in mind that at the time the officer that fired the shots didn't know any of those details about the suspect, they didn't even know who the driver was.

How can this be decided in this case when the police had information that this car had been involved in a shooting incident the previous day, and which was actively being driven into police vehicles endangering lives, without an exactly similar situation involving a white suspect to compare it with?

There is plenty of evidence to show that black people, especially in the Met area, are treated differently ( i.e. worse) in general, but when it comes to individual, very serious actions such as this, juries have to rely on the evidence available for the specific case.

Until the general situation improves, and is seen to improve, then it is understandable, but probably unavoidable that the perception of black people will be one of doubt and suspicion.

 

[C R]

Until the general situation improves, and is seen to improve, then it is understandable, but probably unavoidable that the perception of black people will be one of doubt and suspicion.

I take it you mean that black people's perception of the police is one of doubt and suspicion. Otherwise I agree with you.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Until the general situation improves, and is seen to improve, then it is understandable, but probably unavoidable that the perception of black people will be one of doubt and suspicion.

Unless they (black persons) start listening to Micheal Jackson and more importantly the song ''man in the mirror'' and take lessons from it it will never change, because if you look at the crime stats, yes a black person is more likely to be arrested then a white person, but the rate of those arrested being referred to the crown court is also much higher, so it's not just ''racist'' police officers, they are simply more represented in serious crime.

 

[Ian H]

Question: Is it even possible to have a corruption-free police force? There appears to be no evidence of any great success to date.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Unless they (black persons) start listening to Micheal Jackson and more importantly the song ''man in the mirror'' and take lessons from it it will never change, because if you look at the crime stats, yes a black person is more likely to be arrested then a white person, but the rate of those arrested being referred to the crown court is also much higher, so it's not just ''racist'' police officers, they are simply more represented in serious crime.

That simplistic presentation would suggest that black people are more disposed to committing crime than white people, which sounds rather dodgy terrotory to me. Not to mention the institutional racism present within the police that will see white suspects being treated differently to black suspects.

I think the biggest driver of crime is poverty and deprivation, and it is black and minority ethnic communities which are most affected by this.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Unless they (black persons) start listening to Micheal Jackson and more importantly the song ''man in the mirror'' and take lessons from it it will never change, because if you look at the crime stats, yes a black person is more likely to be arrested then a white person, but the rate of those arrested being referred to the crown court is also much higher, so it's not just ''racist'' police officers, they are simply more represented in serious crime.

They are also more likely to be the victim of serious crime than other groups (pro rata). There are plenty of black people on social media who are supportive of the police action in this case and very much despise the urban gang culture which affects them and their children far more than it does the rest of us.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

That simplistic presentation would suggest that black people are more disposed to committing crime than white people, which sounds rather dodgy terrotory to me.

No it's what the current figures show. figures don't account for reasons, made up reasons or accuses.

Not to mention the institutional racism present within the police that will see white suspects being treated differently to black suspects.

How do we measure that? and how about black against black racism? Or racism from black organizations so they can secure grants? All benefit from creating a bigger problem and enlarging whatever racism problem their might be.(and no i'm not denying there are racisms problems. )

I think the biggest driver of crime is poverty and deprivation, and it is black and minority ethnic communities which are most affected by this.

No can see it in other populations too, but the solution isn't claiming their poor and deprived, it's part of it sure but the thing that has happened now and is 100x worse in the US is that young black people have two career choices one is go to school and learn something and be something in the future and the other is be part of a gang and be something, be protected etc. it's not strange they feel attracted it offers instant rewards, whilst following the path of learning something has much more hiccups.(well the hiccup career criminals face often ends in death)
Add to that they these days also have a podium and it's not strange at all to see the appeal.
If poor and deprived would be the cause then their path in criminality would be the solution because criminals brag about their expensive cars lavish lifestyle etc. the problem is these criminals only can exist if the pyramid stays alive, and the pyramid only stays alive if it gets fresh recruits, which conveniently for them often is quite easy in a neighborhood with 80& black population. They feed on exploiting existing distrust, stories about not getting an fair chance etc. etc. as long as they are not called out for it but instead more often get a podium and let their family members cry crocodile tears in front of number 10, how about the families of all of his victims? (regardless of ethnicity but most likely mostly black) (and yes i don't believe his family didn't knew about his criminal background)

Needless to say it is still a very small portion of the black population but nonetheless a serious problem.

They are also more likely to be the victim of serious crime than other groups (pro rata). There are plenty of black people on social media who are supportive of the police action in this case and very much despise the urban gang culture which affects them and their children far more than it does the rest of us.

Agreed.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Serial rapist and former Met officer David Carrick has pled not guilty to eight further sexual crimes, some dating back to his teens:


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cje013px0qjo

David Carrick, from Stevenage, Hertfordshire, is accused of two counts of rape, one count of sexual assault and one count of coercive and controlling behaviour against a woman between 2014 and 2019 in Stevenage.​

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The 49-year-old is also charged with five counts of indecent assault against a girl under 16 in Salisbury, Wiltshire, between 1989 and 1990, when he was a teenager.​

His trial is due to start in November 2025.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Even after her death, Met officers can’t behave professionally in relation to Sarah Everard. A report shows that 104 officers accessed her case files, the majority of whom were dealt with through disciplinary procedures. One officer was sacked.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8dm0y33yrmo

A serving Metropolitan Police officer who accessed files relating to Sarah Everard's murder has been dismissed.​

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PC Myles McHugh committed gross misconduct by viewing the confidential files without proper reason, a tribunal has found.​

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Former Det Con Hannah Rebbeck and Sgt Mark Harper were also found by the tribunal to have committed gross misconduct. Ms Rebbeck has since left the force but would have been dismissed had she still been serving, while Sgt Harper was issued with a final written warning.​

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The offences took place between 5 and 15 March 2021, soon after the 33-year-old marketing executive was kidnapped and killed by serving Met Police officer Wayne Couzens.​

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Another two for trial…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c36prx09558o

Two Metropolitan Police officers have each been charged with four counts of sexual assault on a woman in London.​

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PCs Jerome Beasley, 41, and Luke Robinson, 39, who are both attached to the Central West Command Unit, allegedly sexually assaulted the woman at a venue in central London on 21 April while they were off duty.​

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The Met said both officers were currently suspended from duty and were due to appear at Westminster Magistrates’ Court on Wednesday.​

The force added its Directorate of Professional Standards department was aware of the case.​

 

[glasgowcyclist]

The rot continues…

From the BBC:

Nine Met Police officers suspended after BBC investigation

The Metropolitan Police has suspended nine officers and referred itself to the watchdog following a BBC investigation into Charing Cross station.​

The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said it was investigating the behaviour of 11 individuals based at the central London station.​

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The accusations, which feature in a forthcoming BBC Panorama documentary, include excessive use of force, discriminatory and misogynistic comments, and failing to report or challenge inappropriate behaviour, the police watchdog said.​

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The allegations were made to the Met by a third party and have since been referred to the IOPC.​

The allegations - which relate to the conduct of nine Met officers, a former Met officer and a serving designated detention officer - are said to have taken place both on and off duty between August 2024 and January 2025.​

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The officers range in rank from police constable to sergeant.​

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The IOPC said it had received a referral from another force relating to the conduct of a former Met officer who was previously based at Charing Cross and has since transferred.​

The IOPC previously found "disgraceful" behaviour in the ranks at the same police station, including a homophobic, racist and misogynistic Whatsapp group.​