matticus
Guru
And in addition, there is the hopelessly moto-centric attitudes funneling people into driving to things. Sooo many events are focused on car-parking. how about this gem:
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And in addition, there is the hopelessly moto-centric attitudes funneling people into driving to things. Sooo many events are focused on car-parking. how about this gem:
albion
Guru
Positive news for London.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...able-progress-in-improving-london-air-quality
They really need to accelerate the removal of all ICE vehicles there. Population density dictates so.
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...able-progress-in-improving-london-air-quality
They really need to accelerate the removal of all ICE vehicles there. Population density dictates so.
icowden
Legendary Member
Can't do it without subsidy. The most polluting vehicles now will likely be panel vans and small lorries for trades where they can't afford to just go out and buy an electric version.
BoldonLad
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albion
Guru
Statistics, what would we do without them
Vote Trump?
Fab Foodie
Guru
Alternative statistics....
albion
Guru
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...nerally-popular-report-ordered-by-sunak-finds
Yet another report burial.
"Policies to help people walk and cycle such as low-traffic neighbourhoods can create public health benefits as much as 100 times greater than the cost of the schemes, a long-term study of active travel measures has concluded."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...p-to-100-times-greater-than-costs-study-finds
"While studies appear to show their effectiveness, and polling and elections tend to indicate they are popular, the Department for Transport announced last year it would no longer fund councils to introduce them after media controversy."
Yet another report burial.
"Policies to help people walk and cycle such as low-traffic neighbourhoods can create public health benefits as much as 100 times greater than the cost of the schemes, a long-term study of active travel measures has concluded."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...p-to-100-times-greater-than-costs-study-finds
"While studies appear to show their effectiveness, and polling and elections tend to indicate they are popular, the Department for Transport announced last year it would no longer fund councils to introduce them after media controversy."
albion
Guru
More on this.
https://road.cc/content/news/government-tried-bury-positive-ltn-report-307183
'After ordering the review, Sunak was accused by Cycling UK of using LTNs as a “political football” ahead of the next general election, with the charity’s CEO Sarah Mitchell insisting that people want to reduce their dependency on motor vehicles and that interventions such as LTNs enable them to do just that, and that it was “lazy to label LTNs as anti-car" '
https://road.cc/content/news/government-tried-bury-positive-ltn-report-307183
'After ordering the review, Sunak was accused by Cycling UK of using LTNs as a “political football” ahead of the next general election, with the charity’s CEO Sarah Mitchell insisting that people want to reduce their dependency on motor vehicles and that interventions such as LTNs enable them to do just that, and that it was “lazy to label LTNs as anti-car" '
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
And the lobby against the ULEZ showed statistics that showed that car pollutions wasn't or had a minimal effect. Lies, damn lies and statistics..
Now i'm the last one to say which one of the two is correct, i think they are both correct by measuring in a slightly different way, however Population density is an consequence not an cause, so if you remove all ICE what gonna be the next step? Because the cause sure as hell isn't being addressed judging by the amount of newly build mega flats off mediocre quality at best, for a super premium price, so the one building it can keep on sponsoring the tories.
icowden
Legendary Member
Not sure what you are on about here? Are you suggesting some sort of ULEZ zone for buildings should be stopped from entering the capital because they give off emissions?
the snail
Active Member
Fuel cells don't last forever either, and they are very expensive. IIRC, there was a story a while back of a German driver who was quoted 100k euro to replace the fuel cell in his Toyota. Also it costs 10x as much to run a Hydrogen car vs. BEV. They will never be a viable option for personal transport.
Ian H
Guru
matticus
Guru
AndyRM
Elder Goth
https://themindcircle.com/the-line-...ql_Tm-2sbOpGXIdbFZ7lXqcoBb-BixWIxQ_HUpjExQ0V0
Apparently work is underway on The Line, which will:
The project, which is currently under construction in Saudi Arabia in Neom, Tabuk, will have no roads, cars, or emissions. It will run on 100% renewable energy and 95% of the land will be preserved for nature. People’s health and well-being will be prioritized over transportation and infrastructure, unlike traditional cities.
Bold claims, and I'd be impressed if they can pull it off but I can't see how it's going to be possible without doing some serious damage to the surrounding area in the first place.
Apparently work is underway on The Line, which will:
The project, which is currently under construction in Saudi Arabia in Neom, Tabuk, will have no roads, cars, or emissions. It will run on 100% renewable energy and 95% of the land will be preserved for nature. People’s health and well-being will be prioritized over transportation and infrastructure, unlike traditional cities.
Bold claims, and I'd be impressed if they can pull it off but I can't see how it's going to be possible without doing some serious damage to the surrounding area in the first place.
