Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

[BoldonLad]

Apathy towards tackling online misogyny.??

It doesn't go away by ignoring it.

Nor does it go away by feeding it, IMHO.

Not feeding it is not the same as ignoring it.

 

[mudsticks]

Nor does it go away by feeding it, IMHO.

Not feeding it is not the same as ignoring it.

I very much look forward to hearing about (and even seeing) your pro active stance on tackling this problem.

 

[BoldonLad]

I very much look forward to hearing about (and even seeing) your pro active stance on tackling this problem.

And I look forward to your effective input.

 

[mudsticks]

And I look forward to your effective input.

I'll bet you do 🙄

But you know what, I think it's high time the guys came up with a solution to this problem ..

It's totally unfair that we as women should have to keep driving this forward, have to keep bringing it up, and then of course often be accused of 'going on'...

We would really like to be able to get on with our lives, freely without having to fear for our wellbeing, or for that of our sisters, why should we have our lives blighted by this type of horrible behaviour. ??

It's funny how chaps can usually be so keen to to fix things, and often act like they have all the answers.

But on this one, where it's a problem generated within their own ranks..??

Rather a desultory effort, on the whole.

Right - back to the mini NY party..

Good luck with it all 👍🏼

 

[BoldonLad]

I'll bet you do 🙄

But you know what, I think it's high time the guys came up with a solution to this problem ..

It's totally unfair that we as women should have to keep driving this forward, have to keep bringing it up, and then of course often be accused of 'going on'...

We would really like to be able to get on with our lives, freely without having to fear for our wellbeing, or for that of our sisters, why should we have our lives blighted by this type of horrible behaviour. ??

It's funny how chaps can usually be so keen to to fix things, and often act like they have all the answers.

But on this one, where it's a problem generated within their own ranks..??

Rather a desultory effort, on the whole.

Right - back to the mini NY party..

Good luck with it all 👍🏼

Enjoy your party

 

[newfhouse]

https://extinctionrebellion.uk/2022/12/31/we-quit/

 

[Deleted member 28]

I very much look forward to hearing about (and even seeing) your pro active stance on tackling this problem.

You are kidding! Pro active stance against something on the Internet, and you mock me for not living in the real World.


It's like having a conversation with a 12 Yr old, "Dad, someone has called me such and such " Dad "oh yes, who's that then? " "Mary from pensylvania on flapchat " "Ignore her then or turn your phone off!".

 

[mudsticks]

You are kidding! Pro active stance against something on the Internet, and you mock me for not living in the real World.


It's like having a conversation with a 12 Yr old, "Dad, someone has called me such and such " Dad "oh yes, who's that then? " "Mary from pensylvania on flapchat " "Ignore her then or turn your phone off!".

As someone who has two young people in his life you are remarkably ignorant about how the internet and it's influence works.

You don't seem to grasp that young (and not so young) minds can be easily sucked into not only believing in the kind of vile garbage the likes of Tate promotes, but also acting upon it.

If you think it's just childish name calling, and that it stops at that, then you're the one very much cut off from the real world.

 

[mudsticks]

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https://extinctionrebellion.uk/2022/12/31/we-quit/

Not really quitting then, more changing tactics.

Social justice and climate justice have always been intertwined.

There's quite a strong XR farmer movement.
Some of whom will be here.

https://orfc.org.uk/

Worth a gander if you're interested in the intersection between land use, food justice , climate justice , biodiversity and all the rest of it.

 

[mudsticks]

We have to do as much as we can, and being a wealthy nation we should be able to do more than many others. Not because we were one of the early and biggest polluters but because it is the right thing to do now.

I have no feelings of guilt at all over our historic CO2 emissions, as that was done out of scientific ignorance at the time, and we were just one of the vanguards as an 'advanced' nation, in the same way that no one can attach any guilt to Walter Raleigh for introducing tobacco to England with its toll in cancer.

I don't feel personal guilt but I do feel anger as it's not true to say that the consequences of burning all those fossil fuels wasn't known about.

The oil corps did their own research, predicted global heating then sat on the evidence, and derided and dismissed any attempts by others to raise the alarm.

And stood in the way of a transition to renewables that could have been happening much sooner to avert some of the current crises.

They are doing and knowingly have done extensive criminal damage to our ecosystems .

Most of the global.population has been locked, willingly or not, into complicity by the power they leverage.

But it's not true to say 'we didn't know' the information has been there for decades.

It just wasn't convenient to act on it.

 

[Deleted member 28]

As someone who has two young people in his life you are remarkably ignorant about how the internet and it's influence works.

You don't seem to grasp that young (and not so young) minds can be easily sucked into not only believing in the kind of vile garbage the likes of Tate promotes, but also acting upon it.

If you think it's just childish name calling, and that it stops at that, then you're the one very much cut off from the real world.

I gave my kids the very same advice and they turned out pretty OK thanks, if people are so easily influenced by the Internet it's them that need talking to.

Perhaps your blood pressure would come down a bit if you took a twitter break?

 

[Unkraut]

You are kidding! Pro active stance against something on the Internet, and you mock me for not living in the real World.


It's like having a conversation with a 12 Yr old, "Dad, someone has called me such and such " Dad "oh yes, who's that then? " "Mary from pensylvania on flapchat " "Ignore her then or turn your phone off!".

I very much agree this is how it ought to be. Social media being a Kindergarten.

That said do we not have a generation who are addicted to this, whose lives revolve around it. A generation who cannot distinguish fact from fiction, news from fake news.

Social media can indeed do damage in the real world. Think cancel culture, the divisiveness of wokeism, the insanity of sexual ideologies. The suppression of dissenting opinions so you are enabled to live in a world where you only hear what you want to.

I for one am still sceptical of the doomsday predictions related to climate change as they seem to me to be the product of group think and the suppression of dissenting opinions. Not least on twitter.

So, happy new year to everybody.

 

[winjim]

I very much agree this is how it ought to be. Social media being a Kindergarten.

That said do we not have a generation who are addicted to this, whose lives revolve around it. A generation who cannot distinguish fact from fiction, news from fake news.

Social media can indeed do damage in the real world. Think cancel culture, the divisiveness of wokeism, the insanity of sexual ideologies. The suppression of dissenting opinions so you are enabled to live in a world where you only hear what you want to.

I for one am still sceptical of the doomsday predictions related to climate change as they seem to me to be the product of group think and the suppression of dissenting opinions. Not least on twitter.

So, happy new year to everybody.

I dunno, I mean I believe what I want to believe and I can't see social media changing my mind.

 

[mudsticks]

I very much agree this is how it ought to be. Social media being a Kindergarten.

That said do we not have a generation who are addicted to this, whose lives revolve around it. A generation who cannot distinguish fact from fiction, news from fake news.

Social media can indeed do damage in the real world. Think cancel culture, the divisiveness of wokeism, the insanity of sexual ideologies. The suppression of dissenting opinions so you are enabled to live in a world where you only hear what you want to.

I for one am still sceptical of the doomsday predictions related to climate change as they seem to me to be the product of group think and the suppression of dissenting opinions. Not least on twitter.

So, happy new year to everybody.

You seem to have omitted the widespread availability of pornography, particularly violent pornography - and the popularity of right wing misogynists influencers such as Tate, who has millions of credulous 'followes' who pay him for his life advice on how to regard women - the fact that he has been arrested and detained on sex trafficking charges - real world stuff .
Incel culture, white supremacists and many other highly problematic groups to be found on the internet.

Shep has told his kids that bits of the internet aren't very nice, so they should stay away.
Phew, so there's absolutely no chance whatsoever that any of the attitudes to be found there could possibly spill over into their lives.. (such as the normalising of 'rough sex' which has lead to the deaths of several women)


The scenario we face with global heating isn't 'group think' it's group science.


Dissenting opinions overwhelming come from those who want to see business (and their own profits) as usual

Fwiw I'm not even on twitter .

It seems to be routinely derided as a source, but it's populated by real people, many of whom give up their time freely to disseminate information from the real world.

Plus there's Berks like Tate, who was banned and then came back.
Decided to try to bait a young climate change campaigner, for some pathetic reason, but then rather satisfyingly shafted himself with his own tiny d*ck energy.

Whilst exposing the nasty dark and putrid underbelly of online promotion of misogyny, that surprisingly many people had chosen to pretend they had absolutely no idea about ..🙄

 

[winjim]

I think the Tate episode is evidence that we can tend to forget that the internet is populated by real people. I don't think he intended or expected for Thunberg to respond to him, his post was meant for his followers, to promote his lifestyle and encourage needy manboys to send him money, which is his grift.

He's now discovered that Thunberg isn't just a cipher, she's a real person who sometimes reads and responds to her social media.