Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

[winjim]

Do you think it's disproportionate and if so what's the reasoning behind it?

Didn't we chat about this a while ago? I think it can be seen as disproportionate from one point of view and that the reason is to give representation across a broad range of programming.

 

[mudsticks]

Do you think there’s a disproportionate number of dark faces and same sex couples on TV too? The prospect of the pale, male, and stale losing their de facto authority is scary, isn’t it?

There has been good female representation in the ecology movement all along.
Maybe is just an early adopter of equality of voice and thought.

I don't know why that is in particular as I'd generally try to avoid the cliché that women tend to better at thinking holistically, and tend to care about the bigger picture.

But on the whole women do seem to more easily grasp, and accept the realities complex interrelations and interdependencies of our ecosystem , and the need for it to be preserved for future generations.
Not compartmentalise things so much.

Maybe because of the effort and investment they personally have to make in raising and nurturing offspring - the long view is something they're invested in

But there I go disappearing down a rabbit hole of gender generalisations I'd already warned myself about.
There are and have been some brilliant male ecologists too.


Anyway just from my observations down the years I'd still say that it holds true that rightwing machismo tendencies are diametrically opposed to being concerned about ecological considerations.

As if caring about the environment was seen by those types of people as 'unmanly' in some way..

 

[Deleted member 28]

No.

Fair enough, I must live, work and socialise in a completely different environment to you then.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Didn't we chat about this a while ago? I think it can be seen as disproportionate from one point of view and that the reason is to give representation across a broad range of programming.

What point of view would that be then?

If, for example, the percentage of straight, White couples in the country was 80% then it would be proportional to see the same on television surely?

If, for whatever reason it isn't well it's not proportional then is it, what point of view can change facts?

 

[mudsticks]

Fair enough, I must live, work and socialise in completely different type of environment to you then.

I've noticed that in the vast majority of ads for farm machinery there's a total lack of women operators on view.
(Chainsaw calendars notwithstanding)

But on my farm it's nearly always women doing that kind of work.

Does this mean that the ads are wrong, or is it us women that are being under-represented ??

 

[Deleted member 28]

I've noticed that in the vast majority of ads for farm machinery there's a total lack of women operators on view.
(Chainsaw calendars notwithstanding)

But on my farm it's nearly always women doing that kind of work.

Does this mean that the ads are wrong, or is it us women that are being under-represented ??

I don't know, I'm not a marketing expert or remember seeing ads for farm machinery.

What percentage of females are using this type of machinery in your opinion?

I would guess it's very low but there should be an equal proportional amount of advertising to reflect this.

Not many females ride motorcycles either and I can't recall too many adverts where the lady is the rider but there has been the odd one or two.

Perhaps the percentage of females operatives needs to be established first before we can decide if the advertising is disproportionate or not.

Over to you.

 

[winjim]

What point of view would that be then?

If, for example, the percentage of straight, White couples in the country was 80% then it would be proportional to see the same on television surely?

If, for whatever reason it isn't well it's not proportional then is it, what point of view can change facts?

Not everybody in the country watches every television programme broadcast.

It could be considered proportionate to see everybody in the country represented, which means having on television a greater number of people from minorities than you might expect from sampling the general population.

 

[mudsticks]

What point of view would that be then?

If, for example, the percentage of straight, White couples in the country was 80% then it would be proportional to see the same on television surely?

If, for whatever reason it isn't well it's not proportional then is it, what point of view can change facts?

You do realise that very little of what you see on telly is ever 'proportionate' to any one individuals reality.
That would be an impossibility.

Do black families complain to the broadcasters that there are 'too many white people' on their telly boxes?

"Those white families (or communities) don't look like the one I live in - so its all rubbish"

You seem to struggle to grasp ideas such as inclusion, and representation?

Does the idea of true equality make you feel threatened in some way? ?

 

[newfhouse]

Fair enough, I must live, work and socialise in a completely different environment to you then.

We can both be grateful for that.

 

[newfhouse]

I would guess it's very low but there should be an equal proportional amount of advertising to reflect this.

Who says that advertising must reflect exact proportions? It’s all aspirational and selling a better view of the world, isn’t it?

 

[mudsticks]

I don't know, I'm not a marketing expert or remember seeing ads for farm machinery.

What percentage of females are using this type of machinery in your opinion?

I would guess it's very low but there should be an equal proportional amount of advertising to reflect this.

Not many females ride motorcycles either and I can't recall too many adverts where the lady is the rider but there has been the odd one or two.

Perhaps the percentage of females operatives needs to be established first before we can decide if the advertising is disproportionate or not.

Over to you.

There's an expression that's been around for decades..
I guess it's passed you by..

That "It's much easier to be it, if you see it"

If people think a thing is not for them because they don't see people like them doing that thing, or represented in the media, they will be dissuaded from, or at least not encouraged to give it a go.

Such as in my case mechanised agriculture.
And probably from riding motorcycles, although there are plenty who do anyway.

Women and girls have been put off from trying all sorts of things by all kinds of (blokey bollix) sexist attitudes.
I had to put up with (or challenge) all kinds of outdated notions about what was possible, or even 'appropriate' when I was training

.
If I'd listened to even a third of it, I wouldn't be where I am now.

If women see other women doing it, and making a go of it, they're far more likely to think that it might be for them too.

Thankfully since I started far more women have come into agriculture, not just as 'farmers wives' or assistants with baby animals.
But as business owners, doing the full spectrum of work.

I've been cited over the years by quite a few women as an 'inspiration' to their agricultural and land based careers.

I'm pleased about that, and take it as a compliment.
The more of us there are in this field the better imo.

This is encouraged at least in part by other women 'seeing it'.

Same with most STEM disciplines, and other activities seen as traditionally reserved for males.

 

[winjim]

I expect you see a lot of mixed couples in advertising because it's a way to represent different populations without having to cast about a thousand extras in a thirty second commercial.

 

[Ian H]

What point of view would that be then?

If, for example, the percentage of straight, White couples in the country was 80% then it would be proportional to see the same on television surely?

If, for whatever reason it isn't well it's not proportional then is it, what point of view can change facts?

Perhaps we should worry less about strict proportions and more about inclusion, especially as the relative proportions of ethnic groups vary between different areas - north/south, urban/rural.

 

[BoldonLad]

I've noticed that in the vast majority of ads for farm machinery there's a total lack of women operators on view.
(Chainsaw calendars notwithstanding)

But on my farm it's nearly always women doing that kind of work.

Does this mean that the ads are wrong, or is it us women that are being under-represented ??

I think it probably means that your farm is not a statistically significant sample

 

[Ian H]

I think it probably means that your farm is not a statistically significant sample

Most of the farms around here are family businesses, which means that everyone, male, female and other, mucks in.

Do you know, by the way, who the head of the NFU is?