albion
Guru
https://www.plansponsor.com/state-anti-esg-coalition-clarifies-policy-goals/
Otherwise known as the kill the planet coalition.
Otherwise known as the kill the planet coalition.
Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?
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BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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More people "doing their bit": https://www.heraldscotland.com/spor...ld-championships-road-race-halted-protesters/
matticus
Guru
Two very different tweets about this from Orla, and from Adam Hansen: I'd say both got >66% replies in favour of the protest.
And a lot of hate for the Shell❤️ British Cycling snafu.
newfhouse
pleb
I’m surprised that the Tyre Extinguishers have moved on from lentil enabled deflation to criminal damage. Exeter sounds quite a lawless place.
https://news.sky.com/story/wimbledo...ealership-in-retaliation-over-deaths-12935495
https://news.sky.com/story/wimbledo...ealership-in-retaliation-over-deaths-12935495
matticus
Guru
... and that is the perfect picture to illustrate the bigger picture. It's astonishing that some people have seen that, and not drawn the rational conclusion (even though I don't expect many people to go drilling tyres!)
Fab Foodie
Guru
We're doing our best....
Pale Rider
Veteran
I wonder if all those clapping the idea of abolishing capitalism have thought this through.
The jobs that pay for their cars, homes, smartphones and other toys would largely go the journey.
Some genuine poverty might cause them to reconsider their view.
BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
- Location
- South Tyneside
Don’t they all have public sector jobs?
Pale Rider
Veteran
No doubt paid for by a government which has nothing to raise income from.
Even the Chinese realised they had to embrace capitalism if they wanted any more for the populace than dragging carts around paddy fields.
But no doubt a leftie hack from the Guardian knows better.
This is the problem when "the science" is being used for an economic and political agenda. The same constituency that ditches science when it comes to gender (other threads are available) insists science is Holy Writ when it comes to climate. This can trigger a certain level of scepticism ...
Someone pointed out during the occupy era that if you brought down the wealth of those running corporations to achieve more equality, then if the protesters wanted to have more equality with those in the developing world they would in turn have to reduce their wealth in a similar way. That idea never occurred to them - equality has its limitations. Happy to carry on using the devices and networks the corporations provided though!
The Green party here in the Fatherland are having problems with voter share because they are perceived as being the party of forbidding you to have this or do that or go there. Goverment overreach. Imposing costs on the less well off. A new command economy replete with thou shalt nots. Now there are still plenty who remember the command economy of the old DDR, which was not particularly wealthy and in which levels of pollution beggared belief. You couldn't protest against it either, this was not allowed.
In any event whatever "we" do, with both Britain and Germany contributing about 2% each to world CO2 emissions, it is irrelevant unless the countries with massive output don't massively reduce it.
Whatever the future has in store, ever more government and ever more regulation doesn't historically have a very good track record of dealing with it.
matticus
Guru
Some amazing telepathy going on here. Just PERHAPS those seeking more social equity globally HAVE realised that we could live with less "stuff", and that can be achieved at the same time as less childhood misery (for example) in the 3rd world.
Simplistic example; all those charity ads saying "For just the price of a coffee a week ..."; and in fact you CAN do a huuge amount overseas with such small sums.
newfhouse
pleb
newfhouse
pleb
Yes, but if we do nothing they will largely be irrelevant. He who dies with the most toys is still dead.
Much of the world lives in poverty, in part because of our consumption addiction.
mudsticks
Squire
Having enough - And knowing what that is, is an essential skill for achieving contentment - I know lots of people who manage it.
Nope some of us run businesses for our livings.
But there seem to be quite a few on here that have difficulty understanding that there are of ways of organising socially just societies, that are neither unregulated 'greed is the ultimate good' exploitive, extractive capitalism, nor all out communism.
Many European countries are much closer to being social democracies than we are.
Since brexitting we seem to be drifting further away from that.
Maybe it is just in our true nature as a nation to be nasty mean minded isolationists, letting the devil take the hindmost.
I optimistically chose to believe we can do better.
