COP26: All talk or some real action on climate change?

[Deleted member 49]

Johnson flew 400 miles on a private jet from COP26, not for an urgent meeting, but to a private dinner at the Garrick Club attended by Conservative peer and self-confessed climate change sceptic and Telegraph Editor, Charles Moore.

 

[Archie_tect]

The scum is getting so thick you'd have trouble wading through it.

 

[mjr]

Johnson flew 400 miles on a private jet from COP26, not for an urgent meeting, but to a private dinner at the Garrick Club attended by Conservative peer and self-confessed climate change sceptic and Telegraph Editor, Charles Moore.

I thought that might be fake but https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/...-publicly-owen-d-a-parliament-to-be-proud-of/ says both Guido Fawkes and the Mirror are reporting it.

 

[Unkraut]

The carbon footprints of those attending will be pretty irrelevant if they can agree on and execute a realistic plan for saving us from ourselves.

Johnson flew 400 miles on a private jet from COP26, not for an urgent meeting, but to a private dinner at the Garrick Club attended by Conservative peer and self-confessed climate change sceptic and Telegraph Editor, Charles Moore.

Can't have it both ways. If it is wrong for Johnson to jet to a party, it is also wrong for the thousands of 'activists' to do long-haul flights using hundreds of thousands of litres of fuel in doing so. At least, I am told, it's only 25 000 this time, down from the 40 000 who went to Durban in South Africa. Not forgetting the profligate use of kerosene for the Copenhagen conference ... . I wonder what delegates did in their spare time during the Paris conference.

It is trivially true that any one person's flight doesn't make much difference. When you see this being used by the leader of extinction rebellion to justify personal family holidays it does undercut their credibility. Totally.

It might be necessary for a few to meet in person from time to time (a scientist argued with me once), but I have often thought it would be better if they could arrange to meet virtually online. Of course, someone needs to work on setting this up, I can't think of any examples in the recent past where this has been done ...

 

[theclaud]

View: https://twitter.com/benphillips76/status/1455797084762820609?t=SfDDZf72Qjuw-wuk2LCSag&s=19

 

[mudsticks]

He's the host- from the host nation- he's the one who's supposed to be the chairperson co-ordinating the debate, the front-man, the cheerleader for the possible.

Sorry, but he's an embarrassment, better off out the way wherever he is.

Can't have it both ways. If it is wrong for Johnson to jet to a party, it is also wrong for the thousands of 'activists' to do long-haul flights using hundreds of thousands of litres of fuel in doing so. At least, I am told, it's only 25 000 this time, down from the 40 000 who went to Durban in South Africa. Not forgetting the profligate use of kerosene for the Copenhagen conference ... . I wonder what delegates did in their spare time during the Paris conference.

It is trivially true that any one person's flight doesn't make much difference. When you see this being used by the leader of extinction rebellion to justify personal family holidays it does undercut their credibility. Totally.

It might be necessary for a few to meet in person from time to time (a scientist argued with me once), but I have often thought it would be better if they could arrange to meet virtually online. Of course, someone needs to work on setting this up, I can't think of any examples in the recent past where this has been done ...

Just to be clear 'thousands' of us didn't jet hear.

Most of us took the least worst option to get here, to represent on behalf of our sectors, and to speak up for the ignored, where we can .

Sadly due to covid, and other factors there is not enough representation from the global south

Those peoples who are worst affected by the historical emissions we in the west are responsible for, and that we have profitted massively from .

 

[matticus]

... it does undercut their credibility.

This is such an obvious tell-tale phrase. It says that you know it doesn't matter, but you know it's a stick you can beat someone with.
Get some perspective.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Can't have it both ways. If it is wrong for Johnson to jet to a party, it is also wrong for the thousands of 'activists' to do long-haul flights using hundreds of thousands of litres of fuel in doing so. At least, I am told, it's only 25 000 this time, down from the 40 000 who went to Durban in South Africa. Not forgetting the profligate use of kerosene for the Copenhagen conference ... . I wonder what delegates did in their spare time during the Paris conference.

It is trivially true that any one person's flight doesn't make much difference. When you see this being used by the leader of extinction rebellion to justify personal family holidays it does undercut their credibility. Totally.

It might be necessary for a few to meet in person from time to time (a scientist argued with me once), but I have often thought it would be better if they could arrange to meet virtually online. Of course, someone needs to work on setting this up, I can't think of any examples in the recent past where this has been done ...

Yea they'd of made there point much better going by horse and cart....

 

[mudsticks]

This is such an obvious tell-tale phrase. It says that you know it doesn't matter, but you know it's a stick you can beat someone with.
Get some perspective.

Yup, pretty much .

Yea they'd of made there point much better going by horse and cart....

I imagine many of us would love to have the time and resources to do that.

Of course, in our upside down world, owning a horse and cart, and having the chance to travel that way, is an option only open to the priveleged.

Even having the time to do the trip by bike is a pretty lucky situation.

 

[Unkraut]

This is such an obvious tell-tale phrase. It says that you know it doesn't matter, but you know it's a stick you can beat someone with.
Get some perspective.

A comment from Anglican unscripted (not mine):

All these luminaries flying around in private jets, cruising on private yachts, and riding in the back of huge limousines while warning about climate change have no credibility. They’re like TV preachers who lecture people about family values while they have mistresses and girlfriends.

I'd be pretty sure you would agree with the second sentence. Why not the first?

 

[BoldonLad]

Yea they'd of made there point much better going by horse and cart....

Only if they had used locally sourced leather for bridle, reins etc, and ensured the emissions were spread on local allotments.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Only if they had used locally sourced leather for bridle, reins etc, and ensured the emissions were spread on local allotments.

Plenty still in use here in Blackpool....

 

[matticus]

All these luminaries flying around in private jets, cruising on private yachts, and riding in the back of huge limousines while warning about climate change have no credibility. They’re like TV preachers who lecture people about family values while they have mistresses and girlfriends.

I'd be pretty sure you would agree with the second sentence. Why not the first?

I don't think they are very alike - so how could I agree with the 2nd sentence??

(one big reason they are not alike - climate change affects us all, not just the preacher and his wife/mistress/girlfriend. Totally different type of issue. If someone was blowing smoke in my face, while telling me to give up smoking ... well, i hope you get the idea... )

 

[BoldonLad]

Plenty still in use here in Blackpool....

Well done Blackpool.

 

[mudsticks]

A comment from Anglican unscripted (not mine):

All these luminaries flying around in private jets, cruising on private yachts, and riding in the back of huge limousines while warning about climate change have no credibility. They’re like TV preachers who lecture people about family values while they have mistresses and girlfriends.

I'd be pretty sure you would agree with the second sentence. Why not the first?

The luminaries' of which you speak may or may not be doing those things.

Those are the 'names' which in these addled headed times are the only people who get reported by the mainstream media.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of 'unknown,' people like myself are on the ground trying to make a change, in all sorts of ways.

Both practically and politically.

Against what feels so like insurmountable odds.

You won't hear about us though, because we're not 'newsworthy' enough for short attention span 'celebrity hungry' media .

You can be as cynical as you like, poke fun all you like.
Trot out all the tiresome 'eco warrior' or accuse hypocrisy cos she wears 'normal' shoes, all you like.

You think we haven't heard it over and over??

Meanwhile, we carry on on, because what other option is there??