Cruella Braverman...

[Rusty Nails]

*Yeah and no white western men ever think, articulate, or even act upon their shitty opinions about women do they??

'The recent 'shaggability' example being just one one of a litany.

There is no evidence that one ethnicity grooms or abuses more than another.
There are misogynistic, abusive people across all 'cultures' and ethnicities, the tactics may vary the mindset of judgement, and entitlement is the same.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65174096

One of the problems with this perennial argument is that it seems to be driven by two polar opposite factions; those who say that the argument is driven by racism and those who say it is not racism but an example of the differences between cultures.

This is not helped by the absence of solid, reliable research data. The article highlighted does not really provide the data to clarify it other than the cause of the problem is men and in the UK, unsurprisingly, most of these men who cause it are not from ethnic backgrounds.

The Home Office commissioned a study of the available data in 2020. It said:

• "The academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending."
• "Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."
• "Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."

It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".

So afaics the data still gives scope for the two opposing arguments to be used, in that ethnic groups are possibly over-represented as offenders and that the majority of offenders are most certainly white.

Sound statistics and facts are not the full story but they are crucial in getting to the truth behind that story and countering misleading or dangerous arguments a la Braverman.

 

[multitool]

Yes, out with this horrid Muslim group grooming!

We should all be backing the traditional Great British White Solo paedophile

 

[mudsticks]

One of the problems with this perennial argument is that it seems to be driven by two polar opposite factions; those who say that the argument is driven by racism and those who say it is not racism but an example of the differences between cultures.

This is not helped by the absence of solid, reliable research data. The article highlighted does not really provide the data to clarify it other than the cause of the problem is men and in the UK, unsurprisingly, most of these men who cause it are not from ethnic backgrounds.

The Home Office commissioned a study of the available data in 2020. It said:

• "The academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending."
• "Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."
• "Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."

It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".

So afaics the data still gives scope for the two opposing arguments to be used, in that ethnic groups are possibly over-represented as offenders and that the majority of offenders are most certainly white.

Sound statistics and facts are not the full story but they are crucial in getting to the truth behind that story and countering misleading or dangerous arguments a la Braverman.

At time of going to press, the absolute stats either way are unprovable, but that hasn't stopped Braverman and her ilk trying to induce racism by implying that there is some 'proof'.

Which in itself proves her racist dog whistle tactics.

And so many others happily buy into her racist anti immigration narrative - but then will try to pretend it's 'only because they care' about abused women and girls.

All the while telling on themselves with their own disrespectful way of speaking about and to women.

It's so obviously transparent to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention.

 

[Rusty Nails]

At time of going to press, the absolute stats either way are unprovable, but that hasn't stopped Braverman and her ilk trying to induce racism by implying that there is some 'proof'.

Which in itself proves her racist dog whistle tactics.

And so many others happily buy into her racist anti immigration narrative - and they then will try to pretend it's 'only because they care' about abused women and girls.

All the while telling on themselves with their own disrespectful way of speaking about and to women.

It's so obviously transparent to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention.

Yes, that is clear about Braverman and others, but it reinforces the importance of sound research and data, especially to those whose minds are still open to them, which I hope is the majority in this country.

 

[mudsticks]

Yes, that is clear about Braverman and others, but it reinforces the importance of sound research and data, especially to those whose minds are still open to them, which I hope is the majority in this country.

Stats are important for all sorts of things.

But surely you don't need stats to supposedly 'prove' something before you work to counter racism and other forms of oppression, such as misogyny.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Stats are important for all sorts of things.

But surely you don't need stats to supposedly 'prove' something before you work to counter racism and other forms of oppression, such as misogyny.

Of course you don't but allowing those who use racist or oppressive arguments wriggle-room by not being able to show that they are undeniably wrong, makes that work so much harder.

It is all about gaining widespread support for arguments and actions, not just about appealing to the already committed.

 

[Pale Rider]

No one has been able to come up with a coherent argument against Braverman's broad point about multiracialism succeeding and multiculturalism failing.

Because what she says makes sense.

Which doesn't go down well in some quarters, but that's irrelevant.

 

[multitool]

No one has been able to come up with a coherent argument against Braverman's broad point about multiracialism succeeding and multiculturalism failing.

Because what she says makes sense.

Which doesn't go down well in some quarters, but that's irrelevant.

'Hates Pakistanis but likes a good curry now and then'

 

[cookiemonster]

No one has been able to come up with a coherent argument against Braverman's broad point about multiracialism succeeding and multiculturalism failing.

Because what she says makes sense.

Which doesn't go down well in some quarters, but that's irrelevant.

She's Indian heritage, parents from South Goa I believe, and she's the Home Secretary in a Government headed by a Hindu Prime Minister.

That's evidence enough that multi-culturalism does work quite nicely, even if you do disagree with their politics.

No. she makes no sense whatsoever unless you're a supporter of the far right and it should never go down well in any quarter.

 

[mudsticks]

Of course you don't but allowing those who use racist or oppressive arguments wriggle-room by not being able to show that they are undeniably wrong, makes that work so much harder.

It is all about gaining widespread support for arguments and actions, not just about appealing to the already committed.

Even if you do show the oppressors they're 'undeniably wrong' and how, most will just ignore it, shift the conversation elsewhere, make up some shizzle about 'wokeism'.

It's a deliberately maintained position which gives people the mental comfort of, and justification for, sticking with their preferred prejudices.

The futility of trying to convince those hardcore, whose vision is so clouded by entrenched bigotry, is akin to that of the playing chess with a pigeon analogy.

No one has been able to come up with a coherent argument against Braverman's broad point about multiracialism succeeding and multiculturalism failing.

Because what she says makes sense.

Which doesn't go down well in some quarters, but that's irrelevant.

It only 'makes sense' to people who want to believe such things already.

She has no coherent argument, but that's irrelevant to people who already like the hatred and division that she tries to spread.

 

[multitool]

If you want to know whether multiculturalism exists successfully or not, have a look at the young and how they interact with each other. Not some bilious hate-filled slab of washed-up gammon who is blind to anything that doesn't speak to his prejudices.

 

[newfhouse]

No one has been able to come up with a coherent argument against Braverman's broad point about multiracialism succeeding and multiculturalism failing.

Because what she says makes sense.

Which doesn't go down well in some quarters, but that's irrelevant.

What’s the alternative to multiculturalism? Monoculturalism?

Which culture shall we choose, yours or mine or his over there or hers or any one of thousands of variations?

Directed conformity? There’s a word for that.

 

[mudsticks]

What’s the alternative to multiculturalism? Monoculturalism?

Which culture shall we choose, yours or mine or his over there or hers or any one of thousands of variations?

Directed conformity? There’s a word for that.

Choose mine Newf...🙏🏼

It's great - honest..!! 💚🙏🏼💜😁

 

[newfhouse]

Choose mine Newf...🙏🏼

I’m not an extremist…

 

[mudsticks]

I’m not an extremist…

Says you..

Wanna fight about it ??