Donald I, emperor of the world.

[monkers]

Your friend has self excluded. If I was excluded from a category intended for biological women I would wonder why I was being excluded. If the category was based on gender identity alone, then it was a mixed sex category all along.

Funnily enough, women aren't bothered when they are excluded from events aimed at trans people - because it's OK for such groups to have stuff exclusively for them, just like women can.

She has not self-excluded. She has used the term 'non-binary' for about twenty years, long before the CTT wrote their non-sensical definitions.

You are using an anachronism to justify stupidity.

 

[icowden]

She put 'non-binary' on her original application form before the CCT introduced their policy. Now they say she can't change her stated gender identity of non-binary on her records. The table of their definitions appears on their website. I can't copy the table but the contents look like this:

Well that bit is just silly.

The tribunal panel ruled that she must ride in the open category because they define 'male' and 'female' as gender identities rather than the sexes of reproductive function.

Also a bit daft.

 

[monkers]

More fool her. She should have put female, because that is what she is.

If she wants to go around claiming to be non binary, accept you will be placed in the open category

She has tripped herself up over the absurdity of trans ideology

Shithead.

 

[AuroraSaab]

You've argued endlessly that ''biological sex is binary and immutable'',

It is.

and now you are here taking the position that 'non-binary' means not being male or female, but sexless. You are saying that my friend, the mother of three children is not male or female. I'm astonished.

No, I'm not. I'm saying she has chosen to prioritise her self-chosen gender identity above her material sex (in an org that recognises gender identity; many don't).

 

[monkers]

It is.

No, I'm not. I'm saying she has chosen to prioritise her self-chosen gender identity above her material sex (in an org that recognises gender identity; many don't).

She hasn't. She says clearly her sex is female. It's now you that is prioritising the importance of gender identity over biological sex, and to what end?

Meanwhile, today's youth have been organising themselves and playing under 18 mixed football, because they enjoy it and want it to be that way. Campaigners are trying to force them to ban trans players from mixed games due to retained male advantage.

What is this mythical power of retained male advantage that trans people have and cis males don't?

But I hope the campaigners keep pushing for it, as then ordinary people may come to realise that they've been duped by bigots.

 

[AuroraSaab]

She hasn't. She says clearly her sex is female. It's now you that is prioritising the importance of gender identity over biological sex, and to what end?

No, I'm not. The CTT regs allow those who 'wish to' compete in a category other than their birth sex the opportunity to do so - if they are female. She chose to do so. It's not a sports organisation's job to provide a myriad of boxes to tick when the relevant point is birth sex.

What is this mythical power of retained male advantage that trans people have and cis males don't?

If people choose to play in a mixed sex team - that is advertised as mixed sex - that's up to them. Male body sports advantage is found in all adult men, regardless of what you label them.

This whole discussion illustrates how daft it is to pretend your self described gender identity is relevant in sports.

 

[icowden]

Meanwhile, today's youth have been organising themselves and playing under 18 mixed football, because they enjoy it and want it to be that way. Campaigners are trying to force them to ban trans players from mixed games due to retained male advantage.

Well again, that's just silly. The point is to ensure fairness. Mixed games are just that - mixed.

 

[monkers]

No, I'm not. The CTT regs allow those who 'wish to' compete in a category other than their birth sex the opportunity to do so - if they are female. She chose to do so. It's not a sports organisation's job to provide a myriad of boxes to tick when the relevant point is birth sex.

You truly are thick. When she joined the CTT years ago there was no open category. She ticked the female box. She is also known to them as gender identity = non-binary. That is now for them a fixed position using their incorrect definition. Claiming that their policy is other than you read into it is nonsense since her formal appeal to the gender tribunal failed - not because she has ever been male or trans, or because she has used testosterone or is known to have testosterone above 2.5. They are applying their anti-trans ideology to a biological woman. Apparently you are OK with that because she doesn't hate trans people.

 

[monkers]

Well again, that's just silly. The point is to ensure fairness. Mixed games are just that - mixed.

But this is where we are now at.

 

[the snail]

Well again, that's just silly. The point is to ensure fairness. Mixed games are just that - mixed.

That doesn't make sense - how does describing yourself as non-binary give someone an unfair advantage over other biological females? Seems like the CTT have really got their knickers in a twist over this.

 

[icowden]

No, I'm not. The CTT regs allow those who 'wish to' compete in a category other than their birth sex the opportunity to do so - if they are female. She chose to do so. It's not a sports organisation's job to provide a myriad of boxes to tick when the relevant point is birth sex.

The nuance here is that she is being blocked from correcting her record according to @monkers

 

[monkers]

The nuance here is that she is being blocked from correcting her record according to @monkers

Close but no cigar. My friend and the CTT are in disagreement. My friend has always stated that her biological sex is female. The CTT say that as they ''know'' she is non-binary that two things are in place:
1. They will not review their definitions or policy which are demonstrably not about protecting female riders from unfair competition.
2. They will not allow her to restate her identity to align with their definitions.
3. They are not happy that she refuses to state a view regarding trans women being permitted to compete in time-trialling since she debunked their so-called 'evidence' that higher hand grip strength comes only from retained male advantage and is the reason that trans women are always going to be stronger cyclists than 'biological' women.

 

[monkers]

 

[monkers]

Trump attended Sinn Fein fundraisers in New York where he is with Gerry Adams.

Various newspaper reports confirm.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...r-amid-anti-ira-terror-protests/34273453.html

Trump portrays migrant people as ''terrorists''.

 

[Ian H]

No, I'm not. The CTT regs allow those who 'wish to' compete in a category other than their birth sex the opportunity to do so - if they are female. She chose to do so. It's not a sports organisation's job to provide a myriad of boxes to tick when the relevant point is birth sex.

They don't. They have two categories: open and female.