EU & Brexit Bunker

[CXRAndy]

People are far more sceptical of politics these days. Uk never voted to join the EU. It voted to be in a economic market-good idea.

I would not be surprised of a political bloodbath next set of elections

 

[icowden]

Tell me which General Election only had a choice of two parties?

Tell me which General Election had any realistic prospect of any party winning other than the main two? There might be more *options* but that doesn't equate to more *choice* if the other options have no prospect of winning. The last time a party other than Labour or Conservative had any chance of winning was in 1918 when the liberal party was at the end of its decline and replacement by the Labour Party which had only started 18 years previously. 1918 also coincided with the vote being extended to all men over 21 and most women over 30.

Tell me which General Elections did the winner have more than 50% of the votes cast?

Since you ask, 1931,1935, 1955 (if we are rounding), 2010 (coalition). Generally the winner has over 40% of the votes. 50% isn't really relevant as you have to take into account parties in NI and the SNP.

 

[PurplePenguin]

This is a nostalgic thread.

 

[briantrumpet]

This is a nostalgic thread.

It's a bit like watching Cheers.

 

[BoldonLad]

Tell me which General Election had any realistic prospect of any party winning other than the main two? There might be more *options* but that doesn't equate to more *choice* if the other options have no prospect of winning. The last time a party other than Labour or Conservative had any chance of winning was in 1918 when the liberal party was at the end of its decline and replacement by the Labour Party which had only started 18 years previously. 1918 also coincided with the vote being extended to all men over 21 and most women over 30.


Since you ask, 1931,1935, 1955 (if we are rounding), 2010 (coalition). Generally the winner has over 40% of the votes. 50% isn't really relevant as you have to take into account parties in NI and the SNP.

1931, 1935 are not in my lifetime, so, 2, like I said, “most if not all”.

Even in the binary referendum, some people thought “leave” had no prospect of winning (including “call me Dave”), but, they did win.

 

[Psamathe]

Tell me which General Election had any realistic prospect of any party winning other than the main two?

Depends what you mean by "win". In many respects a General Election is to elect a representative for your constituency to represent the constituency in the Commons. In my consituency the elected candidate came from neither of the two main parties so our elected representative (the "winner") was a Green Party candidate.

OK, he didn't form a Government but then in democratic countries the party with most MPs doesn't always form a Government anyway (coalitions of several minority parties). Also, we don't get to vote for Governments, just for our constituency candidate.

Ian

 

[spen666]

Yes. The way it works is like this.

You ask the population what they want. They vote for a Conservative Government.
5 years later you ask again. They want a Conservative Government.
5 years later you ask again. They want a Conservative Government.
5 years later you ask again. They want a Conservative Government.
5 years later you ask again. They want a Labour Government.
5 years later you ask again. They want a Labour Government.
5 years later you ask again. They want a Labour Government.
5 years later you ask again. They want a Conservative Government.
5 years later you ask again. They want a Labour Government.

However...
If you ask them what they want as regards Europe in 1975 you absolutely should never ask the people again.
Asking them again 40 years later is a terrible thing. But we did it anyway. In spite of the verdict being void due to breaches of electoral law and only being advisory, not binding and not being a significant majority decision, the Govt acted on it anyway.
But of course asking the people again, another 10 years later given the very adverse effects on the UK is an abolute no no and anti-democratic

Great invention there. No one here has suggested that there can not be another vote

 

[icowden]

Depends what you mean by "win". In many respects a General Election is to elect a representative for your constituency to represent the constituency in the Commons. In my consituency the elected candidate came from neither of the two main parties so our elected representative (the "winner") was a Green Party candidate.

And how well do you think the views of you and your constituency are represented in Parliament? Is it by any chance "not at all"?
With PR there would be 71 greens, not 4. 228 Labour MPs and 73 libdem. Yes, there would be 100 reform MPs (well for about a month until all the arrests have been carried out and the by elections happen) and 139 tory mps.

That would mean that to form a government either Labour or Conservative would have to form a coalition. Labour's policies would be heavily influenced by the Greens and Lib Dems.

As it is, Labour can do what it wants and no-one else gets a say. The Greens and Lib Dems remain marginalised parties with little prospect of power.

By "win" I mean take power. Everything else is just shouting from the sidelines.

 

[PurplePenguin]

This is weird, if they don't give a FF... from Aug 2024

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Do you recall how the polls forecast a Remain win? Or that they didn't conduct exit polls on the night of the referendum, because they didn't have the historical data to make the necessary adjustments? If someone tells a pollster that they would vote remain, what is the chance they are lying? There is a good knowledge about this for people who say they will vote Labour, but actually vote Tory.

 

[secretsqirrel]

On the other hand could it be that many Remainers were complacent and didn’t bother to show up? After all it was nailed on as a Remain win. It was a close result with 72% of the electorate voting.

The demography has changed now with quite a few leavers brexiting to the afterlife, and the new voters wanting more opportunities.

So I don’t expect this debate to die quietly any time soon.

 

[CXRAndy]

And how well do you think the views of you and your constituency are represented in Parliament? Is it by any chance "not at all"?
With PR there would be 71 greens, not 4. 228 Labour MPs and 73 libdem. Yes, there would be 100 reform MPs (well for about a month until all the arrests have been carried out and the by elections happen) and 139 tory mps.

That would mean that to form a government either Labour or Conservative would have to form a coalition. Labour's policies would be heavily influenced by the Greens and Lib Dems.

As it is, Labour can do what it wants and no-one else gets a say. The Greens and Lib Dems remain marginalised parties with little prospect of power.

By "win" I mean take power. Everything else is just shouting from the sidelines.

I very much doubt those PR mp splits. Currently reform are leading the polls

 

[Shortfall]

I'm struggling to see what Brian can discover from starting this thread that he didn't already know after nine years, several hundred pages and many thousands of posts on the BR Brexit thread?

 

[briantrumpet]

I'm struggling to see what Brian can discover from starting this thread that he didn't already know after nine years, several hundred pages and many thousands of posts on the BR Brexit thread?

What happens next... would be kinda interesting, don't you think? The EU, miraculously, still a major trading bloc, is still only 22 miles away. And, if you hadn't noticed, Starmer's been accused of surrender and betrayal, so it seems the Brexiters are still as obsessed as they ever were with our neighbours.

 

[briantrumpet]

You might have noticed that I'm not reheating the stuff about the vote itself. As people say, it's in the past.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Its all about smoky bacon crisps now.